cesare
shady's dreams ♥
I don't know otherwise, no. I'm not familiar with the area at all, but I know that it's not that easy to move out of council housing on a council estate especially in more rural areas.
Five-year-old April Jones kidnapped in Machynlleth, Mid-Wales
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But how many of them want to move out on the back of what was, though an absolutely appalling crime, a one off isolated incident?
thedockerslad
Never do what you are told
The point is they can't afford to if they want to or not. Do you not see that?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
If it doesn't matter, why post it in the first place?
Yeah, but why not start a thread about people being trapped in "poverty pockets" or whatever people call them rather than bringing it up on a thread that, with all due respect, it has fuck all to do with?
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
That's your point. Unless you've been there in the last couple of months and are basing your speculation on first hand accounts of how this crime has affected the different classes of people in the area, it's no more the point than me saying, for example, I'm sure the middle class people will want to move out because they're more capable of empathy than the people on the council estate.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Maybe it's a bit like the Tia Sharp thread - times when I had to just not say anything about some of what was being said otherwise there'd have been a bunfight and ruined the thread. Sort of thing. I can see where he's coming from, but I don't think this thread was like that.
bendeus
Bellend Tagline Generator
I dunno. I spent a while working in Eritrea, then the youngest country on earth and one that had had countless horrors visted on it over 30 years' of brutal, asymmetric warfare that had targeted civilians as a matter of course. People got on with their lives when I was there; there was an awareness and acknowledgement of what had gone before, but human networks are resilient and capable of bouncing back. I would say that there will forever be an awareness and acknowledgement of what happened to April Jones but I seriously doubt it will be long-lasting. Our instinct is to move on, to love, live and grow: that is what it is to be human and, dare I say, to survive.
Those directly touched personally by it such as family and friends are a different matter, and my heart goes out to them all for what they will have to live through for the rest of their lives. As for the rest of the community, it will forever be a chapter in the history of Mach, but I can't quite buy that it will have been fundamentally changed by the experience. Dai the pisshead will still be propping up the bar in the Black Lion, people passing through will still wonder how a milk bar still survives there, the B&Bs will still be full of tourists enjoying the mountains.
Anyways, RIP April. Enjoy the rest of your life rotting in the nonce wing, Bridger, you disgusting fuck.
thedockerslad
Never do what you are told
Yes I'm sure some cunts from London are right.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Not all of us are from London, and you're the only one behaving like that.
thedockerslad
Never do what you are told
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
You quoted my post but didn't say anything - what was the point?
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Think you could give it a rest for a bit?
I'm sure if enough people are offended they can report it themselves, they don't need you...every thread I see you on you're trying to cause trouble. Just report stuff you don't like instead of disrupting threads, eh?
Anyway back on topic...Einstein explained confusion with the concept of the speed of light (honest, it's on topic) by saying time can shrink and stretch.
Life for this cunt is going to be very stretched. Food for those in solitary is not prepared separately...so eat up, every meal will be a chef's special. At some point someone will get him, because they'll keep him on suicide watch to make sure he can't get out of it. Others will come and go but everyone gets a free shot at him...anything...as long as it never ends. They won't kill him, they like things to play with. Like a cat.
He'll suffer every day till he dies....sometimes hard to stomach because it doesn't seem enough but the worst of us will make it worst for him.
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
Yes. I agree. I suspect, though, that with his happy memories of doing what he had longed to do for so long, he may survive reasonably happily.
He is more than a touch demented.
Another day I might look more closely at some people's urge to be a paedophile, but not now.
UrbaneFox
They've doubled in price
If he is on a nonce wing maybe he will make friends, exchange notes and live reasonably peacefully.
Is this the kind of suicide watch that Fred West and Harold Shipman faced?
I have no idea what prison life will be like for him. You cannot beat up someone every day. He will be one of many inmates who have done terrible things.
Tonight a lot of us are much concerned with April Jones, but soon there will be another child murdered. I am not so sure that other prisoners will bother him all that much.
This is all speculation; I know nothing about the prison system / security.
Some people seem to get excited about the prospect of prison justice served upon him. I am not bothered if he does have a horrific ordeal in prison and part of me hopes he does (I know, I know)... but I'd much rather hope that her remains are found so her parents have some closure. I had to turn the news off tonight because this murder being in the headlines again; coupled with Georgia Williams was a bit much to stomach when trying to unwind for the evening.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
No, no-one can get beaten every day. I said 'anything...as long as it counts'. Prison is stressful and boring, interesting and crushing. It's the worst place to be if you've committed a heinous crime.
If he manages to commit suicide, I don't have a problem with that. I'm not advocating cruel and unusual punishment but I wouldn't mind it. I look at April's pics and I see my own young grand-daughters, a primal thing kicks in. Kill, crush, destroy, nothing must threaten them - there's no thought of discussion or peace-making. And that's a good thing, but I also agree with the rule of law.
So I hope he lives long and suffers. Because yes, children will be murdered...all of the time. But many are put off such thoughts when considering the punishment. You can't stop it, but we can keep it down to the least possible, can't we?
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
Um, pardon?
With respect, you know nothing about me and I am not trying to cause trouble. Please leave me alone, stop patronising me and stop following me from thread to thread which is clearly what you're doing.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
My point was that you try and undermine/deviate threads which are certainly worth discussing. I don't give a fuck about you
You're nothing to me but some text on a screen, I've never met you, I don't care to meet you. If you think I'm following you about, report it and provide some reasonable proof to the mods.You are trying to cause trouble...I saw you in that thread where you accused the person with MH problems that they were being disrespectful to people with MH problems...looking like an idiot with your 'leper' comment. You went onto treelover's thread about being stolen from and told him he'd be in trouble himself because....he hadn't paid tax on the money he gave to the guy who stole from him. You're on this thread starting shit with someone else.
I don't follow you around...you just pop up a lot on the interesting threads...but never have much positive input. Always involved in the trouble, eh.
Now..if you think this is too much...remember...
I have a little emotional investment in this kind of thread, daughters and grand-daughters...so contribute or fuck off.
The closest I've been to putting someone on ignore, ever.
equationgirl
Respect my existence or expect my resistance
My point was that you try and undermine/deviate threads which are certainly worth discussing. I don't give a fuck about you
You are trying to cause trouble...I saw you in that thread where you accused the person with MH problems that they were being disrespectful to people with MH problems...looking like an idiot with your 'leper' comment. You went onto treelover's thread about being stolen from and told him he'd be in trouble himself because....he hadn't paid tax on the money he gave to the guy who stole from him. You're on this thread starting shit with someone else.
I don't follow you around...you just pop up a lot on the interesting threads...but never have much positive input. Always involved in the trouble, eh.
Now..if you think this is too much...remember...
I have a little emotional investment in this kind of thread, daughters and grand-daughters...so contribute or fuck off.
The closest I've been to putting someone on ignore, ever.
I think you're a nasty bullying piece of work, this isn't the first time you've done this to me. Stop. Now.
All I have done on this thread was to ask someone to explain a comment they made. I was not the only person to ask them to explain it, so I don't know why you're singling my posts out.
As for my other supposed 'crimes' - I said I used the word 'leper' when I meant outcast on that thread, and posted that at the time. So I get my words mixed up sometimes. Hardly the biggest crime in the world. On treelover's thread I genuinely didn't want him to get any more hassle than he was clearly getting (as did others) but again, it's my posts you choose to single out.
A community has been devastated by this person's actions, a family has been torn apart by him. But no, bully someone on the internet instead. Nice one.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
I haven't singled-out anything...I've pointed out recent threads that you've tried to disrupt with your self-righteous bullshit...so here you go...the guy following you around just put you on ignore....explain that.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Are you Scottish? If not, I'm from further north than you and, by your own logic, you're the cunt.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
aahh...they've changed that
With reference to places forever being tainted by a terrible crime I think its inevitable when its a small, rarely mentioned town / village. When these sorts of crimes occur in the cities it doesn't stick in the memory, for instance I can't remember where Shipman committed his many crimes and I probably only remember about Fred West because my girlfriend comes from Gloucester. But place names like Soham and Hungerford stick in the memory.
Streathamite
ideological dogmatist
In case you don't get out much, London has quite a lot of working class people, and that still doesn't justify you being so obnoxious here, in the service of a point which seems to elude everyone, including you
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
bendeus was eloquent further up the page about how a place can overcome the taint of its past in such circumstances, but ultimately I think you're right, a gruesome crime or other horror casts a long shadow when the name of the location has few other significant associations for the wider population. Dunblane. Aberfan, even.
elbows
Well-Known Member
And part of the difference between that and the affect on more isolated communities is that journalists are perhaps more likely to report on the affects on the latter.
Machynlleth is of course a powerful example of this both because of the press/national attention, but also the sheer number of people who were involved in the search.
Machynlleth is of course a powerful example of this both because of the press/national attention, but also the sheer number of people who were involved in the search.
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