Feminism and violence again women

[equationgirl]

Yeah I’m at a loss for words after reading that. That must be terrifying to read if you are a woman. It certainly scared me.

it was beyond terrifying to be honest. I know there's misogyny in other parts of the justice system, so why? And I think part of it is the narrative he was allowed to paint, because the male prosecutor was so dismissive. Is there collusion? Not in obvious way, but a subconscious one, where men don't always realise when misogyny strikes?

And I think what terrifies is that it could happen to me, to one of my friends. There was a pregnant woman murdered a week ago here, probably by her partner who later committed suicide. Being pregnant can be a dangerous time for a woman in a controlling relationship.

 

[kabbes]

Jim Sidanius and Felicia Pratto spent decades refining something called Social Dominance Theory, concerning how hierarchy and injustice are perpetuated. In their 1999 book, they devote a chapter to analysing criminal justice systems, showing exactly how they inevitably end up forming processes and systems that institutionally reproduce social hierarchies. By that theory, it is no surprise that the criminal justice system is misogynistic — it’s doing what it is basically designed to do and keeping women in their place as those exploited for reproducing labour.

 

[trashpony]

Interpol is asking for help to name 22 women who were killed across Belgium, Germany and the Netherlands and never identified. It’s unbearably sad

Operation Identify Me

Operation Identify Me

www.interpol.int

 

[May Kasahara]

Isn't equality great? Now women have the opportunity to be sexually assaulted even while doing the top jobs!

Female surgeons sexually assaulted while operating

Trainees are being abused by senior male surgeons, a major analysis given to the BBC reveals.

www.bbc.co.uk

I went back and read the first page of this thread before posting this, and all that stuff people were (rightly) saying about the systemic nature of male violence against women, how it's baked into the system at every level, this idea that women are less than/commodities/available for men, and that men are entitled to wield power and privilege however they like...here it is. Again.

 

[ska invita]

Isn't equality great? Now women have the opportunity to be sexually assaulted even while doing the top jobs!

Female surgeons sexually assaulted while operating

Trainees are being abused by senior male surgeons, a major analysis given to the BBC reveals.

www.bbc.co.uk

I went back and read the first page of this thread before posting this, and all that stuff people were (rightly) saying about the systemic nature of male violence against women, how it's baked into the system at every level, this idea that women are less than/commodities/available for men, and that men are entitled to wield power and privilege however they like...here it is. Again.

I wonder how much a factor class is in this... Doctoring seems to be a classic Professional Managerial class career, people who persue it seem to go on the conveyor belt from school to university to work without experiencing "the real world", the jobs are well paid at that level, and I expect there are generalisations that can be made about the families doctors come from. It also seems an inherently hierarchical institution in which class privelege flourishes.

Sexual abuse is a power trip and it seems to me every aspect of doctoring reinforces a power dynamic

 

[May Kasahara]

Yes...I also think the specialisms aspect creates and reinforces a superiority complex in some (not all) - when you've studied and trained and practised yourself to the top of a very narrow tree, that is power in itself. And power over people's bodies, doing something where you are so focused on one specific aspect of physiology - I'd imagine it's easy to lose sight of the fact that you are treating a whole human person, even if that doesn't go all the way to the extremes of mutilation and malpractice. Look at all the recent legal cases against 'rogue surgeons'; harms done to women were the focal point for some, but certainly not all.

At best it's a potentially toxic mix, and I can't believe the relevant professional bodies haven't thought about what needs to happen in terms of safeguards sooner. Well, actually I can.

 

[bluescreen]

I wonder how much a factor class is in this... Doctoring seems to be a classic Professional Managerial class career, people who persue it seem to go on the conveyor belt from school to university to work without experiencing "the real world", the jobs are well paid at that level, and I expect there are generalisations that can be made about the families doctors come from. It also seems an inherently hierarchical institution in which class privelege flourishes.

Sexual abuse is a power trip and it seems to me every aspect of doctoring reinforces a power dynamic

There's a peach of a letter from a retired anaesthetist in today's Times. I swear it reads like something from Private Eye but it's genuine:



Times share token, valid only today:

Times letters: Unpicking the triple lock on state pensions

Sir, The reason why it is difficult to solve the problem identified by William Hague (“It’s time to unpick the triple lock on pensions”, Sep 12) is to be found

www.thetimes.co.uk

 

[May Kasahara]

Easy to say "put up with bullying and assault" when you're (a) male, (b) at the top of the pecking order, and (c) not even in the workplace anymore.

Oh well, I hope he gets boils up his arse

 

[Red Cat]

Just love the way he suggests that academic excellence is actually a sign of feminine weakness.

 

[Dystopiary]

Wouldn't wanna be alone with him. Mind you, some of them were carrying out their filthy assaults in front of other witnesses.

 

[bluescreen]

It seems Dr Hilton has whipped up quite a backlash with his belittling and minimising letter. His former employers and professional organisation have condemned his outdated attitudes but he is unrepentant:


extracted from this new Times article freed from paywall

https://archive.ph/aO3Qv

 

[LeytonCatLady]

It seems Dr Hilton has whipped up quite a backlash with his belittling and minimising letter. His former employers and professional organisation have condemned his outdated attitudes but he is unrepentant:
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extracted from this new Times article freed from paywall

https://archive.ph/aO3Qv

Ah yes, the old "other people agree with me" chestnut. As for toughening up, yes, becoming detached from the illness and death you see as a doctor is one thing. But NOT against harassment. Doctors get enough shit from members of the public, they shouldn't have to put up with it from colleagues too. And to counter his argument, anyone bright enough to get A* s in their A levels and get into medical school should also be bright enough to understand that misogyny and harassment is NOT acceptable.

 

[A380]

Surgeons added to the far too recent list of:

Cops
Teachers
Musicians
Firefighters
Academics
Lawyers
City traders
Politicians
Lorry drivers
Priests
TV presenters
Builders
Professional footballers
Soldiers
Social workers


All with sexual predators using positions of authority to further their desires.

Perhaps the problem is men in any profession? Anyone work in a field where this kind of noncery doesn’t happen with depressing regularity?

Or can even name one? Sometimes I just want to get off this world.

 

[cesare]

Surgeons added to the list of:

Cops
Teachers
Musicians
Firefighters
Academics
Lawyers
City traders
Politicians
Lorry drivers
Priests
TV presenters
Builders
Professional footballers
Soldiers
Social workers


All with sexual predators using positions of authority to further their desires.

Perhaps the problem is men in any profession?

#notjustprofessionalmen #notallmen

 

[May Kasahara]

It seems Dr Hilton has whipped up quite a backlash with his belittling and minimising letter. His former employers and professional organisation have condemned his outdated attitudes but he is unrepentant:
View attachment 391543

extracted from this new Times article freed from paywall

https://archive.ph/aO3Qv

"Numerous PMs of support"

 

[Tones]

If the important thing is to concentrate on the patient on the operating table, then perhaps, rather than telling women to ignore harrassment, he'd have been better to advise men to concentrate on the patient rather than assaulting colleagues!

 

[Chz]

Surgeons added to the far too recent list of:

Cops
Teachers
Musicians
Firefighters
Academics
Lawyers
City traders
Politicians
Lorry drivers
Priests
TV presenters
Builders
Professional footballers
Soldiers
Social workers


All with sexual predators using positions of authority to further their desires.

Perhaps the problem is men in any profession? Anyone work in a field where this kind of noncery doesn’t happen with depressing regularity?

Or can even name one? Sometimes I just want to get off this world.

Working in IT, I don't see noncery. Just straight up misogyny. I think they hate women too much for any sort of sexual abuse, it's just pure loathing.

 

[A380]

Working in IT, I don't see noncery. Just straight up misogyny. I think they hate women too much for any sort of sexual abuse, it's just pure loathing.

Presumably they out source the noncery with the wanking to porn all day?

 

[Chz]

I suppose I should balance it out by saying that most of us are really pleased to work with women in a sector that's quite the sausage-fest. My manager is easily the best person I've ever worked for. But the ones that don't like it (and they're sadly common) are proper cavemen. It's horrible to work alongside someone who just radiates resentment any time women are involved. Was particularly bad in the w^Hbanking sector, which is known for that sort of thing even outside the IT department. Now I work in education there's a lot less of it.

 

[GarveyLives]

Something is just not right here:

"A misogynist thug who was spared jail after beating his wife said "I respect women" as he walked free from court.

Kaushik Pramanik hit the woman across her face with a mobile phone and chased her down the garden with a stick in the vile attack. A court heard about his controlling behaviour towards her in which he belittled her job as a cleaner calling them 'prostitutes' on a neighbourhood WhatsApp group and tried to stop her working ..."

Controlling husband who beat wife says 'I respect women' as he walks free from court

(Source: MyLondon)​

Kaushik Pramanik, of High Street in St Mary Cray, wore a handheld oxygen mask for his sentencing at Inner London Crown Court, clutched his oxygen canister and drew heavy breaths as Her Honour Judge Freya Newbery gave him a 30 week sentence suspended for one year. After watching him struggle in the dock, and having seen medical evidence of his angina, she also concluded he would 'not be well enough' to carry out unpaid work and spared him imprisonment.

However, when asked by reporters why he was not wearing his breathing aid outside the court immediately after being sentenced, Kaushik Pramanik said: "I have angina... Because I'm just going to the bus, now I'm talking I'll probably take it now." He then denied looking for sympathy from the judge, saying 'No no no… I have a huge medical record'.

Later, Kaushik Pramanik added: "The problem in this country, the law is towards women."

 

[LeytonCatLady]

Something is just not right here:



Controlling husband who beat wife says 'I respect women' as he walks free from court

(Source: MyLondon)​

Kaushik Pramanik, of High Street in St Mary Cray, wore a handheld oxygen mask for his sentencing at Inner London Crown Court, clutched his oxygen canister and drew heavy breaths as Her Honour Judge Freya Newbery gave him a 30 week sentence suspended for one year. After watching him struggle in the dock, and having seen medical evidence of his angina, she also concluded he would 'not be well enough' to carry out unpaid work and spared him imprisonment.

However, when asked by reporters why he was not wearing his breathing aid outside the court immediately after being sentenced, Kaushik Pramanik said: "I have angina... Because I'm just going to the bus, now I'm talking I'll probably take it now." He then denied looking for sympathy from the judge, saying 'No no no… I have a huge medical record'.

Later, Kaushik Pramanik added: "The problem in this country, the law is towards women."

What a nasty cunt turnip. If he respects women, I'd hate to see what contempt would look like.

 

[Sue]

Working in IT, I don't see noncery. Just straight up misogyny. I think they hate women too much for any sort of sexual abuse, it's just pure loathing.

Nope. There's definitely sexual harassment as well as misogyny.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Something is just not right here:



Controlling husband who beat wife says 'I respect women' as he walks free from court

(Source: MyLondon)​

Kaushik Pramanik, of High Street in St Mary Cray, wore a handheld oxygen mask for his sentencing at Inner London Crown Court, clutched his oxygen canister and drew heavy breaths as Her Honour Judge Freya Newbery gave him a 30 week sentence suspended for one year. After watching him struggle in the dock, and having seen medical evidence of his angina, she also concluded he would 'not be well enough' to carry out unpaid work and spared him imprisonment.

However, when asked by reporters why he was not wearing his breathing aid outside the court immediately after being sentenced, Kaushik Pramanik said: "I have angina... Because I'm just going to the bus, now I'm talking I'll probably take it now." He then denied looking for sympathy from the judge, saying 'No no no… I have a huge medical record'.

Later, Kaushik Pramanik added: "The problem in this country, the law is towards women."

Repulsive filth. I hate that garbage like this are even allowed to live. A literal waste of oxgyen.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

He was given a 30 week sentence, suspended for one year. What does that mean? What happens after a year?

 

[Santino]

He was given a 30 week sentence, suspended for one year. What does that mean? What happens after a year?

It usually means that nothing happens as long as he keeps himself out of trouble for a year. If he does something else during that period, the court can decide to un-suspend the sentence and send him to prison.

 

[MickiQ]

Depends on what he does, suspended sentences have conditions attached to them probably stay away from his wife. If he breaks those conditions then he goes straight to jail (does not pass Go or collect £200) without the need for a further trial. If he doesn't violate the conditions then he is freed from it at the end but it will stay on his criminal record so if he misbehaves after its up he will get a longer sentence on the grounds he is a registered offender with a record.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

Maybe he can use the time to celebrate International Day for the Eradication of Violence against Women in two days time.

 

[cesare]

Depends on what he does, suspended sentences have conditions attached to them probably stay away from his wife. If he breaks those conditions then he goes straight to jail (does not pass Go or collect £200) without the need for a further trial. If he doesn't violate the conditions then he is freed from it at the end but it will stay on his criminal record so if he misbehaves after its up he will get a longer sentence on the grounds he is a registered offender with a record.

Does time spent under conditions while suspended count towards overall sentence?

 

[MickiQ]

Does time spent under conditions while suspended count towards overall sentence?

You know I don't really know, I think if he misbehaves after 51 weeks of the year I think he has to then do the 30 weeks of porridge but I don't know for sure.

 

[Magnus McGinty]

If he attacks another woman after conditions having previous will be seen as an aggravating factor.
If he contacts his ex, he’ll go inside for 30 days immediately.