The Left Failing Young Men (and how to reclaim the Left from liberals)

[Yugoslav]

Nvm, they support Starmer's "compromise" move with the elite



Also, it claims to argue from a "socialist perspective".

Nothing proletarian or socialist about this agenda that seeks to compromise. Traditional proletarianism abandoned the moment they got backing from the Fabians.

 

[PTK]

Because Lenin correctly described it as reformist? Why would a young man consider "reformism" in these hard times?

Lenin, my arse!
The Fabian Society itself defined itself as reformist socialist.
The Fabian Society today is not socialist.

 

[Silas Loom]

Anyway why don't you ask them?

Young Fabians

On here we're neither young nor Fabian.

At the moment, the Young Fabians are in special measures following a brief suspension and review of the organisation. Sub-groups and networks are temporarily disbanded. Suggestions for projects during this time are welcome.

I might email them with some ideas. A huge domino topple? Macrame?

 

[Yugoslav]

Lenin, my arse!
The Fabian Society itself defined itself as reformist socialist.
The Fabian Society today is not socialist.

Never really is if it's main purpose is compromise. Fabianites have no revolutionary will, yet they corrupt the Labour Party and look at the mess it is. Unfit for socialism because it only wanted to defeat the Tories (because they're right-wing) and now Starmer wants to like play both sides here.

 

[PTK]

Nvm, they support Starmer's "compromise" move with the elite

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Starmer is not "compromising", you fool.
For him to "compromise" he would have to be a socialist
Starmer is not a socialist. He is not "compromising." He is a Blairite, and Blairism is an alien class ideology.

 

[Yugoslav]

Starmer is not "compromising", you fool.
For him to "compromise" he would have to be a socialist
Starmer is not a socialist. He is not "compromising." He is a Blairite, and Blairism is an alien class ideology.

Socialism is when compromising with the rich apparently.

 

[PTK]

Socialism is when compromising with the rich apparently.

You clearly do not understand my comment. Therefore you should not comment on it.

 

[Yugoslav]

You clearly do not understand my comment. Therefore you should not comment on it.

Should have then played with the old-fashioned pop culture thingy to make it a satire.

 

[krtek a houby]

Should have then played with the old-fashioned pop culture thingy to make it a satire.

Why do you pretend to be not what you are?

 

[Yugoslav]

Why do you pretend to be not what you are?

Hm?

 

[existentialist]

You mean the Fabianites, right? Like they're the UK version of Liberal Leftism.

Are these Fabianites in the room with you right now? Can you see these Fabianites?

 

[planetgeli]

What makes my Marxism-Leninism irrelevant?

The Marxism-Leninism bit.

 

[planetgeli]

Should have then played with the old-fashioned pop culture thingy to make it a satire.

No way English isn't your first language.

You're a bit weird.

 

[krtek a houby]

Hm?

All your pop culture references and turns of phrase.

You're not who or what you claim to be.

 

[Yugoslav]

Are these Fabianites in the room with you right now? Can you see these Fabianites?

In this website, very likely.

 

[krtek a houby]

In this website, very likely.

What made you join and spend so much time on this site that you despise, amongst the people you despise?

 

[seventh bullet]

is what we're trying to understand on this thread WHY DON'T PEOPLE UNDER 30 JOIN SOCIALIST GROUPS?

They're radical still, just to them us fogies aren’t cool enough. Which is fair. I don't understand their world much anyway, being of the last generation adjacent to the internet, and one experiencing life on the nusery slopes of a neoliberal transformation of society that, since having undergone even deeper change over the decades, sees them experience it in much sharper, brutal ways.

 

[Artaxerxes]

I think they're genuine. Who'd bother trolling U75 as a tankie in 2024. Besides aren't trolls supposed to just make one or 2 posts to light the touch paper. This guy is the main contributer on all his threads.

The Ukraine thread still exists after all

 

[seventh bullet]

What makes my Marxism-Leninism irrelevant?

Because I've argued elsewhere with genuine M-Ls, even the fruitcakey end of it, who other M-Ls reject and ostracise, like the Maoist Third-Worldists. Your aping their writing style is pretty good, though. I'll give you that.

 

[seventh bullet]

I think they're genuine. Who'd bother trolling U75 as a tankie in 2024. Besides aren't trolls supposed to just make one or 2 posts to light the touch paper. This guy is the main contributer on all his threads.

Some people's idea of The Far Left is a caricature of Stalinism. No awareness or understanding of a vast history of working class radicalism. So they think they're being awfully clever and devilishly funny by adopting a persona that fits their preconceived idea of what people on the left are like. Do some surface level research and try and start some shit.

 

[Pickman's model]

Their FAQ is simply about who they are and how to join them, not much detail about their ideology but they're reformist still, regardless.

You've told us very little about your ideology. Apart from that you don't understand what you claim to adhere to.

 

[A380]

Is the Fabian Society full of disenchanted young proletarian men?

Who knows, after all, the first rule of Fabian Society is you don’t talk about Fabian Society…

 

[chilango]

Say what you want about the tenets of Fabianism, Dude, at least it's an ethos.

 

[dessiato]

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I've got some deckchairs if anyone wants one

 

[Yugoslav]

What made you join and spend so much time on this site that you despise, amongst the people you despise?

Cause it isn't purely Fabian? There is a minority of MLs and besides, this feels like a refreshment to have some fight over which leftism is better.

 

[Yugoslav]

Who knows, after all, the first rule of Fabian Society is you don’t talk about Fabian Society…

Ain't a secret society if they have a public Internet website and actively engage.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cause it isn't purely Fabian? There is a minority of MLs and besides, this feels like a refreshment to have some fight over which leftism is better.

You're not really doing the awful beauty of marxism-leninism any favours with your posts

 

[Yugoslav]

You've told us very little about your ideology. Apart from that you don't understand what you claim to adhere to.

Alright. I'll list out characteristics of my ideology (Marxism-Leninism-Titoism) then.

Economic

• Socialist mode of production
• Anti-monopoly
• Heavy emphasis on domestic industry
• Economic stability means better for the workers

Legislative

• Workers' State
• Democratic Centralism
• Unitary Executive
• Workers' Party is the real socialist party

Law and Order

• Pro-Police (law enforcement to protect workers)
• Pro-Military (strong military and a nuclear arsenal to deter any imperialist influence)
• Capital Punishment
• Anti-corruption agenda against bureaucrats if they try to get above the President
• Conscription of all able-bodied men (based on physical and psychological abilities)
• Anti-emigration (population decline must be fought with radical means in countries with low population density)

Health and Education

• Free healthcare
• Free education
• Affirming care for disabled people
• Youth Wing dedicated to providing socialist tradition espoused by Marxism-Leninism-Titoism

Morality

• Three sexes only (Male, Female, Intersex), there are no more than three as the rest is within the mind and not the matter independent of such (materialism)
• Transition between genders is done by medical means, not by idealism
• Freedom of religion permitted provided that there is tolerance of others and no propaganda against socialism or workers is justified in the name of "religious values"
• Cultures are permitted but separatism is forcibly dealt with (Cosmpolitan to Civic Nationalism)
• Pro-Family (against commodification and supportive of family relationships)

A basic summary if you will.

 

[8ball]

Yugoslav is getting what they want. Knowing just enough of the turgid style of an old Marxist-Leninist to start 'theoretical' discussion, and using the stilted language of the Stalinist vulgate to pass themselves off as genuine to the uninitiated. Their threads get pages of replies. This is top-tier trolling.

The amount of work that must go into it is quite impressive.

If there is any LLM use at all it is clearly a very bespoked model (or heavily manually edited).

 

[A380]

Ain't a secret society if they have a public Internet website and actively engage.

Home of Freemasonry | United Grand Lodge of England

UGLE is the home of Freemasonry in England, Wales, the Channels Island, the Isle of Man and a number of Districts overseas.

www.ugle.org.uk

I see you know as much about secret societies as you do about M-L…