Fate of EU citizens in the UK post Brexit

[Bahnhof Strasse]

What happens to an EU citizen living here and planning to marry someone from back home? Will their partner have the right to Iive here, or will it depend on their income?

Would imagine it will depend on income, same as for a non-EU person.

 

[ska invita]

But I really don't think it's accurate or helpful to suggest (as your OP and the headline of the article you've linked to both do) that the position of all the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK is threatened come March 29th next year.

My OP made it perfectly clear who was vulnerable. I even put in bold

"This is the key line:
EVEN If ninety per cent of Britain’s E.U. nationals register before June 30, 2021, when the program ends, more than three hundred and fifty thousand people will still be undocumented, at the mercy of the U.K.’s so-called “hostile environment” toward irregular migrants. “They are going to be illegal on the day after the deadline,” "

Sorry I dont subedit the New Yorker.

 

[zahir]

my understanding is: Depends from when zahir, said partner needs 5 years on the clock here at this point, so No. But if said EU citizen can eventually get settled status then from then they would have to go through the usual channels for a spouse which means having a big income <<<another bullshit law that needs binning immediately - one rule for the wealthy another for the poorer.

Would imagine it will depend on income, same as for a non-EU person.

Thanks. So for any single EU citizen living here that’s actually a very big change regardless of whether they can get settled status themselves.

 

[ska invita]

Thanks. So for any single EU citizen living here that’s actually a very big change regardless of whether they can get settled status themselves.

Not sure what you mean exactly. Up until now you didnt need to get settled status. Now to get it you have to have been here five years (or at least say you have) and do the App process. Perhaps the spouse in your question can move here before 2021 and just apply via the app. I cant imagine the Home Office are willing or can check that people really have been here for five years, especially with millions applying. That said best not to take advice from a random off the internet (especially as this is all stuff Ive gleaned rather than know about) and get proper legal advice!

 

[Spymaster]

But I really don't think it's accurate or helpful to suggest (as your OP and the headline of the article you've linked to both do) that the position of all the 3.5 million EU citizens living in the UK is threatened come March 29th next year.

Tell that to them. This is just one more nightmare for another section of people in a whole litany of nightmares that will produce practically fuck all benefit.

I'm wondering if this is the first time in history that a nation has voted to make their country worse off in pretty much every substantive way! You can kind of understand where right wingers are coming from ... plenty of discomfort for Johnny Foreigner; fuck 'em off back home etc., but supposed lefties .... ????

 

[Yossarian]

I cant imagine the Home Office are willing or can check that people really have been here for five years, especially with millions applying. That said best not to take advice from a random off the internet (especially as this is all stuff Ive gleaned rather than know about) and get proper legal advice!

I would make sure everything's as up-to-date and truthful as possible - it's Home Office policy to try to keep migrant numbers down by making the process as difficult and discouraging as possible and by giving itself all kinds of reasons to reject people.

 

[ska invita]

I would make sure everything's as up-to-date and truthful as possible - it's Home Office policy to try to keep migrant numbers down by making the process as difficult and discouraging as possible and by giving itself all kinds of reasons to reject people.

Yes definitely ingnore my advice about lying! (though it might work - should become apparent how best to play it by later in 2019)

 

[andysays]

Tell that to them...

Tell what to who? I'm not seeking to tell anyone what to think or do. I'm attempting to report on what appears to be the position for my non-UK EU colleagues, without claiming that their situation can be extrapolated to 3.5 million others (although I would suggest that there are significant numbers of non-UK EU workers in Britain who have been here for some years and are in reasonably secure employment like my colleagues).

I can understand that many people are concerned about what the future may hold for them, but the idea that the Home Office is about to round up and expel all 3.5 million is frankly ridiculous.

Would you like to tell my colleagues that their lack of concern is mistaken and their lives are about to become a nightmare?

 

[ska invita]

the idea that the Home Office is about to round up and expel all 3.5 million is frankly ridiculous.

Youve really destroyed that straw man - well done
powerful

 

[not-bono-ever]

It’s not what is being said about this rollout that concerns me but what is not being said. At the point there is s managed database of that soecific group, that is when the pressure can begin to be exerted on them.

I wouldn’t trust this administration to act in any way fairly if they can make capital out of it

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It’s not what is being said about this rollout that concerns me but what is not being said. At the point there is s managed database of that soecific group, that is when the pressure can begin to be exerted on them.

I wouldn’t trust this administration to act in any way fairly if they can make capital out of it

Yep. It's another stick with which to beat people as and when.

 

[Spymaster]

Would you like to tell my colleagues that their lack of concern is mistaken and their lives are about to become a nightmare?

Well I don't have the ability to do that do I? Of the dozens of such people that I'm aware of though, few lack any concern whatsoever and some are really rather worried. Understandably so. Of course they won't all be thrown out, but all of their lives will be affected and at the moment nobody knows to what extent. What I can say for certain is that they'd all prefer that this wasn't happening.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Looking at that tricky question 'What does brexit mean/What is brexit for?' This is the answer. This is what brexit means. This is what brexit is for. And it fucking stinks.

 

[not-bono-ever]

Yep. It's another stick with which to beat people as and when.

We have seen the attempted outsourcing of migration policing issues to teachers and ((((landlords)))) in recent years- it’s not a massive step to use this information to begin to exclude people from services and support if they have not registered or there is a problem with their papers. This isn’t the end of the story by a long shot

 

[SovietArmy]

I from Lithuania and married English citizen for 16 years. I don't want English passport. No idea how affect me. Brexit is shit anyway.

 

[Spymaster]

I don't want English passport.

Join the club.

 

[ska invita]

We have seen the attempted outsourcing of migration policing issues to teachers and ((((landlords)))) in recent years- it’s not a massive step to use this information to begin to exclude people from services and support if they have not registered or there is a problem with their papers. This isn’t the end of the story by a long shot

Yes, it'll also stop them from jumping the queue. Sorry did I say that out loud, I apologise. (satire)

 

[SovietArmy]

Join the club.

What club?

 

[Yossarian]

I wouldn't say it's panic stations, but anybody whose immigration status is now going to be dependent on a government that doesn't know what the fuck it's doing from one day to the next and doesn't give a shit about the well-being of British citizens, let alone those who can't vote, would be wise to stay on top of developments ... and if things are done differently in their countries, to forget about any notions they may have had of somewhere like the Home Office being a helpful kind of place that is going to try to make things as easy as possible for them.

 

[ska invita]

I wouldn't say it's panic stations, but anybody whose immigration status is now going to be dependent on a government that doesn't know what the fuck it's doing from one day to the next and doesn't give a shit about the well-being of British citizens, let alone those who can't vote, would be wise to stay on top of developments ... and if things are done differently in their countries, to forget about any notions they may have had of somewhere like the Home Office being a helpful kind of place that is going to try to make things as easy as possible for them.

I know what you mean but i think it IS panic stations. In three months time a process will begin that by its end will leave tens, more likeley hundreds of thousands of people with illegal status in the uk - people who are here completely legally. I think it needs stopping before it starts, and that requires some serious urgency if not panic. I must admit Ive only just realised the implication of the registration process today.

 

[T & P]

I wouldn’t say i’m not concerned at all-far from it- but still remain fairy confident that even in the case of an acrimonious no-deal Brexit, my residency status would *surely* not be at risk. I’m not wealthy but i’ve lived here for more than twenty years and i’ve been fully employed from the off.

Bottom line: if I were suddenly deemed not ‘worthy’ enough to be granted settled status, the same would surely apply to just about every other EU resident apart from presumably the wealthy. So easily 95% + of us kicked out.and that would undoubtedly spark such a clusterfuck and tit-for-tat retaliatory repatriations of Britons living in the EU, governments could actually be overthrown and serous unrest would be widespread. Nobody wants that.

I guess a more likely bad scenario is that they move the goalposts and say as well as five years’ residency one will need to be in employment, or in employment and earning a high salary, which would get rid of many or most of us. But again, I much doubt it’d happen.

Far more likely is that many UK-EU mixed families are going to be fucked up, and some perhaps even split up, by Brexit. That is an indescribable tragedy and, without wishing to turn this thread into another Remain Vs Leave argument, something that Lexiters and those who support Brexit and are not prejudiced, should give serious thought when considering the pros and cons of it.

 

[Dogsauce]

My partner went through the citizenship process a couple of years ago because of worries about all this, before the referendum there was still enough shit being stirred for her to fork out over a grand to get rid of the anxiety. Can’t find the certificate now after two house moves and it’s something like £200 to get a replacement That’s the likes of Farage dipping in our pockets.

Both kids had their births registered here and in the EU so have dual nationality too, my worry is in future when we visit the in-laws it’ll be me having to go through the five hour cavity search fuckabout queue at the airport while the three of them swiftly pass through the eight items or fewer EU citizens queue. Ah, the sunny uplands

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I'm a British citizen, so not directly my problem, but quite a few British citizens (of Caribbean origin) thought they were OK here until fairly recently...

 

[T & P]

How long does a mixed nationality couple have to be married before the foreign spouse might be given permanent residency, no questions asked or preconditions, if they want to move to the country of the other spouse, in particular if they're not in employment?

In other words, if there is a British man living the Continent and married to a EU national for a couple of years, and they decide to permanently move back here, would she be allowed without a job? And vice versa of course. Not to mention cohabiting couples. Or same-sex married couples moving to a country that still doesn't recognise gay marriage?

Unless all countries concerned do the decent thing regardless of the event deal or lack thereof, I truly fear Brexit will likely ruin the lives of a great many people

 

[pseudonarcissus]

How long does a mixed nationality couple have to be married before the foreign spouse might be given permanent residency, no questions asked or preconditions, if they want to move to the country of the other spouse, in particular if they're not in employment?

In other words, if there is a British man living the Continent and married to a EU national for a couple of years, and they decide to permanently move back here, would she be allowed without a job? And vice versa of course. Not to mention cohabiting couples. Or same-sex married couples moving to a country that still doesn't recognise gay marriage?

Unless all countries concerned do the decent thing regardless of the event deal or lack thereof, I truly fear Brexit will likely ruin the lives of a great many people

The British spouse must have a job earning more than £18,600, or £60+k in savings to start the process. There is no recourse to public funds until indefinite leave to remain, which takes 5 years. You have to pay a tax for the NHS. There is a language test requirement that seems to change every year. There is the pub quiz “Life in the UK” test which seems to take a rather antiquated public school history book as its source. I don’t know anyone who has successfully applied without paying thousands to lawyers.
All this however long your married.
If the non-Brit is offered a job earning a million and the Brit does not work outside the home...no way.

I left. I applied for a permanent Brazilian visa, based on a civil partnership, on a Wednesday and had the visa on the Friday.
I don’t imagine I will return to the UK.
I quite fancy a Portuguese golden visa though. I think I’ll sell the flat in London next year.

 

[ska invita]

The British spouse must have a job earning more than £18,600, or £60+k in savings to start the process. There is no recourse to public funds until indefinite leave to remain, which takes 5 years. You have to pay a tax for the NHS. There is a language test requirement that seems to change every year. There is the pub quiz “Life in the UK” test which seems to take a rather antiquated public school history book as its source. I don’t know anyone who has successfully applied without paying thousands to lawyers.
All this however long your married.
If the non-Brit is offered a job earning a million and the Brit does not work outside the home...no way.

I left. I applied for a permanent Brazilian visa, based on a civil partnership, on a Wednesday and had the visa on the Friday.
I don’t imagine I will return to the UK.
I quite fancy a Portuguese golden visa though. I think I’ll sell the flat in London next year.

its an outrageous state of affairs another knock on effect of the endless migrant hate mongering. Anyone remember under whose watch these rules were brought in? Wasnt it T May at the home office?

In 2015, it was estimated that the £18,600 threshold excludes 41 per cent of the British working population from bringing a foreign spouse to live in Britain, including 55 per cent of women. The threshold rises to £22,400 if there is one or more non-European-born child in the family – and the income of the non-European partner does not count towards the threshold. Tories just quietly hiked up minimum income threshold to bring in foreign spouses
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Labour has said it would scrap the threshold, stating it does not believe that “family life should be protected only for the wealthy”.

 

[T & P]

The British spouse must have a job earning more than £18,600, or £60+k in savings to start the process. There is no recourse to public funds until indefinite leave to remain, which takes 5 years. You have to pay a tax for the NHS. There is a language test requirement that seems to change every year. There is the pub quiz “Life in the UK” test which seems to take a rather antiquated public school history book as its source. I don’t know anyone who has successfully applied without paying thousands to lawyers.
All this however long your married.
If the non-Brit is offered a job earning a million and the Brit does not work outside the home...no way.

I left. I applied for a permanent Brazilian visa, based on a civil partnership, on a Wednesday and had the visa on the Friday.
I don’t imagine I will return to the UK.
I quite fancy a Portuguese golden visa though. I think I’ll sell the flat in London next year.

So retired couples will be stuck in one country forever?

 

[pseudonarcissus]

So retired couples will be stuck in one country forever?

Only if their pension is less than £18,600. Poor people aren’t welcome. It really is a gruesome system that Mrs May invented.
Let’s see what a few years of recession does.

 

[Gramsci]

I wouldn’t say i’m not concerned at all-far from it- but still remain fairy confident that even in the case of an acrimonious no-deal Brexit, my residency status would *surely* not be at risk. I’m not wealthy but i’ve lived here for more than twenty years and i’ve been fully employed from the off.

Bottom line: if I were suddenly deemed not ‘worthy’ enough to be granted settled status, the same would surely apply to just about every other EU resident apart from presumably the wealthy. So easily 95% + of us kicked out.and that would undoubtedly spark such a clusterfuck and tit-for-tat retaliatory repatriations of Britons living in the EU, governments could actually be overthrown and serous unrest would be widespread. Nobody wants that.

I guess a more likely bad scenario is that they move the goalposts and say as well as five years’ residency one will need to be in employment, or in employment and earning a high salary, which would get rid of many or most of us. But again, I much doubt it’d happen.

Far more likely is that many UK-EU mixed families are going to be fucked up, and some perhaps even split up, by Brexit. That is an indescribable tragedy and, without wishing to turn this thread into another Remain Vs Leave argument, something that Lexiters and those who support Brexit and are not prejudiced, should give serious thought when considering the pros and cons of it.

Same thing applied to Commonwealth citizens. As you asked I probably know that didn't work out thirty years later.

 

[Gramsci]

My partner is Spanish.

I am British. I don't earn a lot of money.

My partner came here pre Brexit vote.

I'm really unsure about her status.

Looks to me that the so called deal will mean that those who earn plus thirty thousand will be ok.

What I want to know is if UK goes for hard no deal Brexit what will be status of EU nationals?

I don't earn enough to justify her status here. If no deal means so called level playing field between EU and non EU. That is racist immigration policy so called " fairly" distributed to all possible immigrants.