Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[rasputin]

She’s the chancellor, charging with riot means cost to UK govt so she’ll have had a view on that surely

Having a view does not give her powers to influence charging and sentencing decisions.

 

[rasputin]

jesus mary and joseph

yvette cooper not the chancellor, reeves is probably writhing in unhappiness at the prospect of paying out riot damages

Writhing in unhappiness does not give her powers to influence charging and sentencing decisions.

 

[emanymton]

Only two months for punching a copper? Could do that annually, if I timed it right it would make a nice summer break away from the kids.

I believe that in some US states at least, spitting on a copper is more serious that kicking them in the balls.

 

[scifisam]

I'd hazard a guess that all of them do.

You misread. Elpenor was saying that ordinary people do pay tax and therefore are affected.

 

[Sue]

I believe that in some US states at least, spitting on a copper is more serious that kicking them in the balls.

Good to know!

 

[Orang Utan]

Got a work email reassuring us that the police do not think there are any genuine actions planned today (Leeds), so there must be some persistent rumours going around. I haven’t heard or seen any, but I tend not to read below the line in certain groups.
We’ve been told to beware of fake claims on social media.

 

[cesare]

And this is infuriating. It either is or isn't, presumably there is set criteria on if it's a or b but of course you have your wiggle room, your get out clauses and your "if, buts and maybes" so you can apply to suit your needs.

Can it be contested?

I think the likelihood of the appeal court being log jammed was also factored into the decisions to go with vd. And lack of space.

 

[scifisam]

A friend of my GF's sent this to her. A bridge in Walthamstow blocked off by people on motorbikes throwing stuff off the bridge. It looks terrifying.

Plus supposedly some people are planning to attack the East London Mosque on Friday. It'll be full of hundreds of young men, not exactly a soft target, so I expect this is just drunk twats gobbing off. The main problem I see is some young Bangladeshi lad ending up with a prison sentence for hitting anyone who does turn up, or possibly attacking someone who's not involved at all because everything's so fucking tense right now.

Though we were both laughing at the idea of some thug attempting to get a local business to fill his bucket up with boiling water for him. What a plan!

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[Griff]

That clip is a year old apparantly.

Waltham Forest is quiet, they're not going to Walthamstow, they'd literally get killed.

 

[stoatie]

That clip is a year old apparantly.

Yeah, just saw it on the twitters and a bunch of people are saying it's from an event a year ago marking the death of a motorcyclist.

 

[scifisam]

That clip is a year old apparantly.

Oh good. How do you know? Though two of her friends are saying they've seen people throwing bricks off a bridge in Walthamstow today themselves.

ETA: thanks both of you, have passed that info on. It's reassuring, somewhat anyway

 

[Lotte]

Dunno if they were designed to cause chaos tbh , I think it was just some random throw it in the air incitement but these and other rumours do cause chaos. Most shops in Salford Precinct were closed early yesterday and some staff send home from offices nearby because of such a rumour. Nothing happened even the 'organiser' went home early

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[Lotte]

Oh look, a Tory councillor's wife was inciting people to burn hotels with refugees in them. Jesus, this woman is a child minder too.

Tory councillor’s wife who called for mass deportations and hotel fires arrested for inciting racial hatred

A former child minder who is the wife of a Tory councillor has been arrested for inciting hate

uk.yahoo.com

I hope none of her black or Asian clients ever allow their kids near her again. Anyone who calls for children to be burned alive is not safe around kids.

 

[Wookey]

Salford City centre closed early yesterday, Eccles seemed even more subdued than it's usual mogadon self.

Last night, four masked up white lads walked down my street, got caught putting something in a wheelie bin.

Neighbour checked just now, it was an axe.

 

[Wookey]

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[Elpenor]

I hope none of her black or Asian clients ever allow their kids near her again. Anyone who calls for children to be burned alive is not safe around kids.

One of the things a fascist was saying on some footage from Rotherham was “we don’t know who these migrants are, they need vetting” stuff like that and yet here is someone British who wants to burn children! The irony is not lost

 

[Wilf]

Just wondering, are we carrying on using this thread as a carry all for all the fash related discussions? The 2 posts at the bottom had me thinking we need something on left organising against the fash, not just immediate responses, but strategic stuff and the wider politics.

There is the thread below, though that's for discussing just the actual counter demos, I think. Anyway, is it worth setting up a further thread, something like 'Anti-Fascist Organising and Politics, Summer 2024'.

Anti-Racist Counter Demos Summer 2024

I’m finding it difficult to find information about counter demos in my area, both here and on other social media. Maybe we should have a thread to share such information? It’s important to get out there and show the idiots we outnumber them so they don’t feel so brave next time.

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This post is as good a jumping off point as any for another memory that's been bumping around my head a fair bit the past week or so: I remember Tommy Robinson's visit to Lower Broughton during his MEP run in 2019 being a stressful occasion.
This is purely my interpretation of things, not one based on any indepth conversation with the other side, but I felt like most of the people who were throwing rocks and stuff at us didn't seem like hardcore fascists, more just local kids who'd seen outsiders coming into their area and were up for a scrap with them, and what I kept thinking was...if my reading of that situation's right, then what had to go wrong that they saw "us", almost entirely people who live and work not that far away, as being outsiders, and yet some grifting shortarse with too many names from Luton who spends half his time travelling around the world can rock up in their area with his traveling circus and not provoke the same hostility from them? I don't really have any proper conclusion to go here, but your recent posts have been really making me think over that same question again.

This deserves a thread and discussion of its own at some point.

Anyone who has been active in anti fascism and/or community work will have had similar experiences.

Sometimes, I have to say, it’s entirely justified because sometimes ‘the left’ are outsiders. Sometimes, the left is there to lecture and ‘lead’ not to listen and support.

But often it’s not and so it’s something that does need wider reflection and discussion.

Robinson gets an, undeserved, level of respect for being a football lad and for his perceived threat to authority. That also needs to be discussed, because too often our side is seen as on the same side as the politicians/media/‘woke’ etc

 

[TopCat]

That clip is a year old apparantly.

Waltham Forest is quiet, they're not going to Walthamstow, they'd literally get killed.

I recollect well the EDL coming to Walthamstow about ten year back. They were not scared. None got killed. The police protected them but loads were loose and not challenged.

 

[Pickman's model]

Writhing in unhappiness does not give her powers to influence charging and sentencing decisions.

of course it does or what's the point of having the ear of the pm and the home and justice secretaries?

 

[TopCat]

Remand where possible and no under sentencing. Apply guidelines harshly.

That would do it if it comes from Cooper.

 

[gentlegreen]

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It won't allow me to link the video released 18 hours ago reassuring us they have it under control ...

 

[emanymton]

Salford City centre closed early yesterday, Eccles seemed even more subdued than it's usual mogadon self.

Last night, four masked up white lads walked down my street, got caught putting something in a wheelie bin.

Neighbour checked just now, it was an axe.

One thing we need to keep in mind is that there are always anti-social dickheads doing horrible shit. Not everything that happens will be connected to recent events. That sounds as likely to be some gang shit as anything else.

 

[Elpenor]

Salford City centre closed early yesterday, Eccles seemed even more subdued than it's usual mogadon self.

Last night, four masked up white lads walked down my street, got caught putting something in a wheelie bin.

Neighbour checked just now, it was an axe.

I would suggest your neighbour removes the axe without touching it and then contacts 101, they will probably be able to advise what to do (there may be a way to dispose of it locally)

 

[planetgeli]

Yeah some of this doesn't show us doing so well in the 'not spreading false rumour and disinformation' thing.

Be careful what you post.

 

[Spymaster]

But there's clearly two tier policing in that were it black or brown people rioting heavier charges and sentences would be laid

That’s not clear at all. The implication is that the CPS and judges prefer Nazis to brown people, which I think is probably nonsense.

Can you evidence the claim with examples of POC receiving heavier sentences for the same crimes?

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s not clear at all. The implication is that the CPS and judges prefer Nazis to brown people, which I think is probably nonsense.

Can you evidence the claim with examples of POC receiving heavier sentences for the same crimes?

Yes: see eg the sentences handed down to Bradford rioters in 2001, many of whom got 4-6 years

 

[Smangus]

I hope none of her black or Asian clients ever allow their kids near her again. Anyone who calls for children to be burned alive is not safe around kids.

If she is registered and convicted then her DBS check will be up the shitter and she'll never work as one again. Hopefully.

 

[Lurdan]

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It won't allow me to link the video released 18 hours ago reassuring us they have it under control ...

It's also on xtwitter - here's the video for anyone interested

Spoiler: Avon and Somerset Video

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[Pickman's model]

If she is registered and convicted then her DBS check will be up the shitter and she'll never work as one again. Hopefully.

The as one perhaps superfluous

 

[Spymaster]

Yes

Go on then.

2011 should provide a rich vein of material.