Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[Spymaster]

Looks like they're going to be made examples of... Fuck 'em.
There will be people shitting themselves all over the country after hearing that sentence.

I doubt any of these arseholes woke up last week thinking they'd be doing 3yrs nick by next Wednesday!

 

[pbsmooth]

Someone got 3 years for the Southport riot. Here come the quick, big sentence deterrents.

Stay on high alert, Starmer tells emergency meeting on riots

Sir Keir Starmer is understood to have told Cobra that there is "no doubt" rapid sentencing has acted as a deterrent to further disorder.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[existentialist]

A vocal local from Reform UK maintains that in Sunderland a police station was burned down by armed Islamists. The fact that you won't hear that on mainstream media only goes to show how the establishment control everything. How do you argue with that kind of logic?

You don't. You chuckle, slightly derisively, and walk away.

 

[Callie]

Because the OB might have to foot the bill

And this is infuriating. It either is or isn't, presumably there is set criteria on if it's a or b but of course you have your wiggle room, your get out clauses and your "if, buts and maybes" so you can apply to suit your needs.

Can it be contested?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Can someone post the counter protest list or where the fuckheads are targeting

 

[Pickman's model]

Someone got 3 years for the Southport riot. Here come the quick, big sentence deterrents.

Stay on high alert, Starmer tells emergency meeting on riots

Sir Keir Starmer is understood to have told Cobra that there is "no doubt" rapid sentencing has acted as a deterrent to further disorder.

www.bbc.co.uk

Yeh 3 years serve maybe 40% out on licence after. Big deterrent sentences are 10 years for riot. Shammer's lying -again - about full force of the law

 

[Saul Goodman]

Don't know why they're not being charged with riot if shammer is to be believed about full force of the law

Yeh. But vd max 5 years, riot 10. Rachel Reeves has had a hand in charging advice I think. 3 year sentence out in maybe 15 months

I'm happy with three to five. It will deter a lot of those who were thinking of doing similar shit.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Someone got 3 years for the Southport riot. Here come the quick, big sentence deterrents.

Stay on high alert, Starmer tells emergency meeting on riots

Sir Keir Starmer is understood to have told Cobra that there is "no doubt" rapid sentencing has acted as a deterrent to further disorder.

www.bbc.co.uk

Should have done em for blocking a road

 

[emanymton]

Someone got 3 years for the Southport riot. Here come the quick, big sentence deterrents.

Stay on high alert, Starmer tells emergency meeting on riots

Sir Keir Starmer is understood to have told Cobra that there is "no doubt" rapid sentencing has acted as a deterrent to further disorder.

www.bbc.co.uk

3 years is fuck all, be out in a few months. For mnu of them it won't be their first time inside, can't see them giving much of a shit really.

 

[cupid_stunt]

A second guy has been sent down for 30 months, one more result should be in soon.

 

[gosub]

When I signed-up for the job I thought I'd be infiltrating international cartels and foreign state spy rings.

Instead I've spent over 20 years reporting on hobnobs, baked potato fillings, and the potential for insurrection within Dulwich Hamlet Football Club.

Cheese then beans is a thought crime

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm happy with three to five. It will deter a lot of those who were thinking of doing similar shit.

I disagree. The charges are clearly a political decision in light of prison population and liability for damages. The charges brought attract a fraction of 'the full force of the law'. It'll deter your common or garden racist. Perhaps. But there's clearly two tier policing in that were it black or brown people rioting heavier charges and sentences would be laid

 

[cupid_stunt]

The third has been given 20 months.

Derek Drummond has been jailed for three years for taking part in the violent disorder in Southport.

He is the first offender to be sent to prison for that offence since the trouble began.

He has also been sentenced to two months for punching a police officer - to run concurrently.

Declan Geiran has been jailed for 30 months - 28 months for violent disorder and setting fire to a police van in Liverpool, and a further two months in relation to a conviction for malicious communication.

Liam Riley has been jailed for 20 months, including two months for the racially aggravating element for this offending.

BBC live

 

[Boo Radley75]

 

[Sue]

That Nazi telegram group. They just kicked me out.

What did you say to get kicked out? Something horribly rational and non-racist..?

 

[Bingoman]

this from sky news, plus this could get out of hand very quickly

 

[Jammy smears]

Many rumours circulating that they will be kicking off in Hull again tonigh, surprising if it does after so many arrests byt these people aren't dealing with a full deck, hopefully the police are more prepared this time if it does.

 

[redsquirrel]

<snip>

Starmer the man who's gone on about too many Bangladeshi's is here to oppose this shit. Fuck that.

 

[planetgeli]

Can someone post the counter protest list or where the fuckheads are targeting

It's in post 2498 on page 84. Amongst other places.

 

[pbsmooth]

3 years is fuck all, be out in a few months. For mnu of them it won't be their first time inside, can't see them giving much of a shit really.

hmm. I think there is a good chunk of people at these things for whom a prison sentence would be a decent deterrent. it's not all hardened criminals.

 

[maomao]

The third has been given 20 months.




BBC live

Only two months for punching a copper? Could do that annually, if I timed it right it would make a nice summer break away from the kids.

 

[Wilf]

If I was the fash I'd be dropping all of the editors of the national and regional newspapers a 'thank you' for blasting their 'planned events' across the media. Gullable idiots on twitter etc the same.

Some of these mobilisations, like the risible claim that they were going to show in Small Heath on Monday are just fantasy. Some seem designed to bring anti fascists/minority groups onto the streets presumably to tie up police resources/wrong foot counter protests/spark trouble that they can use on SM as evidence of 'two tier policing'. Some might even happen organically - without the need for any far right resources - thanks to the free publicity as locals turn up for the row.

In all the talk of state led SM bans, calls to bring the army onto the streets, the 'full force of the law', ban Twitter etc nobody has asked whether or not its wise to freely/hysterically publicise this stuff. It isn't. I'm always bemused why and how any balloon can post details of an event and its just spread everywhere by the press and those supposedly opposed to the fash.

The list seems to be either a) random nonsense b) misinformation c) something implying central coordination and actual strategy (as in this list is a shift away from the early riots). I doubt there could be sufficient agreement between the fash for C) to happen, so I'm edging towards a lone fash splurging his fantasies. Though as discussed earlier, there's always a chance that shite imitates art and a few do turn up. I suspect something will happen tonight, perhaps away from these 'targets'.

 

[two sheds]

"28 months for violent disorder and setting fire to a police van"

28 months for arson? .

bit on the lenient side isn't it? Quite a bit nearer the 'Discharge' than the life imprisonment despite there being a riot going on at the time.

Arson (criminal damage by fire)​

Criminal Damage Act 1971, s.1(1) and (3)

Guideline effective from: 01 October 2019

This is a Schedule 19 offence for the purposes of sections 274 and 285 (required life sentence for offence carrying life sentence) of the Sentencing Code.
Triable either way
Maximum: Life imprisonment
Offence range: Discharge – 8 years’ custody

Arson (criminal damage by fire) – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

lucky he didn't nick a bottle of water at the same time

 

[comrade spurski]

today's sentences...20 and 30 months for 2 blokes setting fire to an old bill car and 3 years for another bloke for violent disorder (plus 3 months concurrent for punching old bill in the face).

4 months ago 2 people got 3 1/2 yes for blocking the Dartford Bridge.

FFS

 

[gentlegreen]

A fully-equipped police van has to be worth 100K ?

 

[albionism]

"Full force of the law" my arse.

 

[maomao]

Two-tier Kier indeed.

 

[ska invita]

"28 months for violent disorder and setting fire to a police van"

28 months for arson? .

bit on the lenient side isn't it? Quite a bit nearer the 'Discharge' than the life imprisonment despite there being a riot going on at the time.

Arson (criminal damage by fire) – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

yes its fuck all by comparison - get ready to be annoyed day in day out as the sentences come through

as expected though, was said on the thread on day one

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

hmm. I think there is a good chunk of people at these things for whom a prison sentence would be a decent deterrent. it's not all hardened criminals.

Yeah I really don't think there's a lot of people out there who wouldn't be bothered by getting a three year prison sentence tbh.

It's about the likelihood of getting caught really isn't it. Being in a crowd like that makes people feel powerful and untouchable - safety in numbers. If the people alongside you start getting picked off though you're going to lose that feeling, for most it's not going to need decade long sentences for that to be the case.

 

[Pickman's model]

today's sentences...20 and 30 months for 2 blokes setting fire to an old bill car and 3 years for another bloke for violent disorder (plus 3 months concurrent for punching old bill in the face).

4 months ago 2 people got 3 1/2 yes for blocking the Dartford Bridge.

FFS

No two tier policing, nothing to see here...