Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[Boo Radley75]

today's sentences...20 and 30 months for 2 blokes setting fire to an old bill car and 3 years for another bloke for violent disorder (plus 3 months concurrent for punching old bill in the face).

4 months ago 2 people got 3 1/2 yes for blocking the Dartford Bridge.

FFS

To try and look at this unemotionally, blocking a key bridge round London and all the ripple effect it caused, caused far more damage and cost tons more money than setting fire to one police car.

 

[Pickman's model]

To try and look at this unemotionally, blocking a key bridge round London and all the ripple effect it caused, caused far more damage and cost tons more money than setting fire to one police car.

At a time when the former dpp, now pm, is insisting the rioters will receive signal sentences it's honestly something of a farce to chuck someone away for what's honestly a far lighter sentence than the deterrence shammer's talked about

 

[ska invita]

To try and look at this unemotionally, blocking a key bridge round London and all the ripple effect it caused, caused far more damage and cost tons more money than setting fire to one police car.

get to fuck it did
the impacts of racist rioting are far deeper

 

[Jammy smears]

Rioting should be a minimum five year sentence if you really want to send a message that it won't be tolerated.

 

[Spymaster]

To try and look at this unemotionally, blocking a key bridge round London and all the ripple effect it caused, caused far more damage and cost tons more money than setting fire to one police car.

Also, that judge must've been having a bad day.

Those sentences were exceptional.

 

[Pickman's model]

Rioting should be a minimum five year sentence if you really want to send a message that it won't be tolerated.

Who does tho? I don't want to see rioting have a five year minimum sentence, and nor would you if you gave the matter any real consideration

 

[Johnny Vodka]

To try and look at this unemotionally, blocking a key bridge round London and all the ripple effect it caused, caused far more damage and cost tons more money than setting fire to one police car.

Yeah, the idea of blocking major roads does make me a bit uneasy, even when I agree with the cause - nothing to do with economics, but in terms of potentially blocking emergency vehicles, people trying to get to important medical appointments, etc

 

[cupid_stunt]

To try and look at this unemotionally, blocking a key bridge round London and all the ripple effect it caused, caused far more damage and cost tons more money than setting fire to one police car.

In monetary terms sure, but the human cost of leaving people living in fear, that's far worst in these cases.

 

[Wilf]

What did you say to get kicked out? Something horribly rational and non-racist..?

That's terribly rude, not being racist on a racist site, when in Rome and all that

 

[pbsmooth]

I do feel some of the reporting of "100+ planned protests" isn't helpful at this point. bumping up the numbers of hangers on. all these cunts feed on the publicity - at some point removing that oxygen surely makes sense. even the normal balanced media is getting a little over-excited.

 

[Elpenor]

To try and look at this unemotionally, blocking a key bridge round London and all the ripple effect it caused, caused far more damage and cost tons more money than setting fire to one police car.

if bringing cost to it - replacing a burnt out vehicle has a direct cost of buying a new vehicle which comes out of public money

blocking a bridge - whats the cost - less profit, mostly made by multinationals, sorry a bit about that

 

[Boo Radley75]

get to fuck it did
the impacts of racist rioting are far deeper

Yes, collectively the impacts of the riots are. I guess it's a grey area of the bit inbetween punishing an individual for their own personal action and punishing them for the collective actions of the group they are part of. For the record, I absolutely want the book thrown at them.

 

[rasputin]

Yeh. But vd max 5 years, riot 10. Rachel Reeves has had a hand in charging advice I think. 3 year sentence out in maybe 15 months

Do you mean Yvette Cooper? It's nothing to do with Reeves and she has no legal background.

But either way, I sincerely hope not. Ministers should not involve themselves in charging decisions.

 

[maomao]

I suppose the excuse is that this lot have turned up sheepish and recalcitrant in court whereas JSO were arguing that they'd done the right thing and clearly intended to do it again. How do these sentences stack up against 2011?

 

[BristolEcho]

When I signed-up for the job I thought I'd be infiltrating international cartels and foreign state spy rings.

Instead I've spent over 20 years reporting on hobnobs, baked potato fillings, and the potential for insurrection within Dulwich Hamlet Football Club.

I was going to say it's not the best use of our taxes.

 

[Jammy smears]

Who does tho? I don't want to see rioting have a five year minimum sentence, and nor would you if you gave the matter any real consideration

Terrorising people, causing fear and panic, causing damage, looting, setting fires etc. Only five years banged up seems very generous to me for that sort of behaviour.

 

[Saul Goodman]

I disagree. The charges are clearly a political decision in light of prison population and liability for damages. The charges brought attract a fraction of 'the full force of the law'. It'll determine your common or garden racist. Perhaps. But there's clearly two tier policing in that were it black or brown people rioting heavier charges and sentences would be laid

I'm sure the lack of prison spaces would have been a factor but a lot of these people will never have seen the inside of a police station cell, never mind a prison cell.
Three to five years isn't to be sniffed at. It's a lot more than probably any of these muppets were expecting, and it'll be life-changing for a lot of them.

 

[Boo Radley75]

if bringing cost to it - replacing a burnt out vehicle has a direct cost of buying a new vehicle which comes out of public money

blocking a bridge - whats the cost - less profit, mostly made by multinationals, sorry a bit about that

Plenty of ordinary, working class people were affected by the bridge being blocked not to mention in 101 other ways. The Green Party candidate in my town couldn't get her friend to a vital cancer treatment appointment at a hospital because of those fuckheads.

 

[Elpenor]

Do you mean Yvette Cooper? It's nothing to do with Reeves and she has no legal background.

But either way, I sincerely hope not. Ministers should not involve themselves in charging decisions.

She’s the chancellor, charging with riot means cost to UK govt so she’ll have had a view on that surely

 

[Artaxerxes]

Yeah, the idea of blocking major roads does make me a bit uneasy, even when I agree with the cause - nothing to do with economics, but in terms of potentially blocking emergency vehicles, people trying to get to important medical appointments, etc

Oh god are we going to have this out again

 

[Elpenor]

Plenty of ordinary, working class people were affected by the bridge being blocked not to mention in 101 other ways. The Green Party candidate in my town couldn't get her friend to a vital cancer treatment appointment at a hospital because of those fuckheads.

So no ordinary WC folk were affected by fascists rioting and destroying public assets they use eg CAB, libraries etc?

And none of them pay tax which will have to go towards replacing these buildings / police vans? Which could have been spent on something more positive like removing 2 child limit?

 

[cupid_stunt]

I do feel some of the reporting of "100+ planned protests" isn't helpful at this point. bumping up the numbers of hangers on. all these cunts feed on the publicity - at some point removing that oxygen surely makes sense. even the normal balanced media is getting a little over-excited.

TBF, it's just a figure, they are not naming actual locations.

 

[raknor]

 

[Pickman's model]

Do you mean Yvette Cooper? It's nothing to do with Reeves and she has no legal background.

But either way, I sincerely hope not. Ministers should not involve themselves in charging decisions.

jesus mary and joseph

yvette cooper not the chancellor, reeves is probably writhing in unhappiness at the prospect of paying out riot damages

 

[Duncan2]

quite possibly they are expecting ongoing rioting and the porridge is being rationed with that in mind

 

[Pickman's model]

Terrorising people, causing fear and panic, causing damage, looting, setting fires etc. Only five years banged up seems very generous to me for that sort of behaviour.

i think you need to revisit section 1 of the public order act 1986

 

[Saul Goodman]

And none of them pay tax which will have to go towards replacing these buildings / police vans? Which could have been spent on something more positive like removing 2 child limit?

I'd hazard a guess that all of them do.

 

[TopCat]

Don't know why they're not being charged with riot if shammer is to be believed about full force of the law

Heard on radio four this morning two up for riot today.

 

[TopCat]

I'd hazard a guess that all of them do.

Loads of tradies plus VAT

 

[Boudicca]

Like others I dont think todays planned Krystalnacht will come to anything. Its just a list of targets on social media - its midweek, a high proportion of the twats have been knicked, and they dont have the numbers. I seriously doubt that more people are gogin to flock to join the ranks of the hotel burners. Loads of services and centres are closing down today - I think its a massive over-reaction which is giving them what they want. Many of these places are in highly diverse areas and if any of the hatemob turned up they would have their arses handed to them in short order (and the fash know this very well).
Im pissed off that my work cancelled a trip out for the guys in the hotel - we should be standing with people, not abaondoning them. Its the fascists and racists who should be keeping their heads down - not the people on their hate list.

I've done some volunteering in a newly set up refugee centre here and am about to go back to do some regular sessions. Bournemouth have a march planned for 18th and it's walking distance to the centre.

We do have refugees housed in hotels here and a lot of hostility towards them, on the other hand our local fash are mostly over the age of 80 so may not be too great at rioting.

Your mention of trips got me thinking Kaka Tim and I was thinking about organising a counter demonstration where we take some of the refugees out to the countryside for a nice walk and picnic. Difficult to pull off though.