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Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

Another one who "wants his country back":

"A former Merseyside Police constable was caught on video laughing among rioters at last night's protest in Southport. Police officers were attacked and riot vans set alight on St Luke’s Road on Tuesday evening ..."
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Ex-police officer filmed laughing at Southport riot as van set on fire

Background: September 2023: PC Jonathan Brown & PC Chloe Fitton - The drug deal outside a Greater Manchester pub that led to police officer couple both losing their jobs
 
stethoscope said:
Organise has this report up from Hull... Hull: Countering the Far Right | Reportback - Organise Magazine

As mentioned to some of you offline, Hull was taken a little by surprise. Possibly not helped by a music festival other side of the city, but also a certain naivety of 'nothing much will happen here' and it shows it can and will. And a need to really strengthen anti-fash numbers here and be able to mobilise better when needed.
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Good report that, it's notable that in Hull the far right outnumbered the decent people who countered them, which hasn't been the case everywhere.
 
I took a walk down down the Lower Ormeau Road in Belfast a couple of months ago for the first time in years and was struck by how diverse it had become with Black pentacostalist churches and the sort of immigrant businesses that serve their own community, rather than just the ubiquitous Chinese and Indian take aways.
 
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www.theboltonnews.co.uk

Second day of court after chaos in Bolton over weekend

Men and two boys, aged 16, are in Manchester Magistrates Court following chaos in Bolton over the weekend
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A 16-year-old boy has pleaded not guilty to possessing an offensive weapon in a public place.

The boy, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was found with an ‘eight-inch’ stainless steel spanner on Newport Street, Manchester Magistrates’ Court heard, between 3pm and 4pm on Sunday, August 4.

After being stopped by police, the boy said he had a weapon on him – the spanner.

Later, at police interview, the boy said he did not know why he said ‘weapon’ adding that it may have been due to the ‘connotations’ of the word ‘tool’, defence solicitor Rawlings said.

The tool said weapon, when he meant tool.
 
Pickman's model said:
Tbh if you'll stick away from anything at which there might be violence you'll end up stopping at home. Vigil for a murdered woman? March against an oppressive bill? A picket line? Sure we can all think of occasions when what should have been peaceful hasn't been, through no fault of the people who've attended.
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Don't be silly, thats not true at all. I didn't say any possibility at all in an absolutist sense. Obviously something that should be peaceful could be attacked, even Pride.


Pickman's model said:
You said progressives should stand together but it sounds like it has to be on your terms. Which, without being snarky in the least, isn't really standing together.
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We can support causes in any number of ways, and with protest its up to individuals to decide what risks they're willing to take on their own terms. Its not for you or anyone else to judge anyone on whether they are right or wrong, you dont know their capability, or whether being caught up in violence could have impacts that they shouldnt have to take to be deemed worthy.
 
ska invita said:
I disagree with planetgeli, those targets are out there and if people act on them, and the action suggests smashing and burning, then they will. The fact the list is so wide spread means it's"real,". .... It's decentred action and people may well act on one or more of these.
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Yeah, this. Without wanting to come over all Baudrillaud-wanky, I think that trying to distinguish between "real" and "fake" calls to action is to miss the way this stuff works. Bit like how I'm sure anyone who's been around the anarcho/libertarian left for a while will be able to think of a few examples of calls for "decentralised autonomous days of action" when nowt happened in most places, but that doesn't make those calls deliberate trick decoys either, just over-optimistic efforts by people who aren't good at organising.
Or to go back to that MAFC statement I posted yesterday:
In other attempts to spread their hatred, we responded to information they were planning to 'protest' at two migrant hotels in Salford on friday 3rd, this consisted of 4-6 of them, observing the hotel and police presence from across the road for a few hours before calling it a day. More recently, last night after intelligence that a more confrontational visit was planned to another migrant hotel in greater manchester, community mobilisation saw 120+ antifascists and community members coming in solidarity within an hour of the callout whilst around 15 young lads hung about in the field nextdoor trying to provoke a reaction and ultimatley calling it off as another failure.
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I don't think you could call the two Salford visits "real" protests and the Stockport one wasn't much more substantial in the end, but also don't think they were deliberate fakes either - the intention was there, the circumstances didn't allow for them to develop into anything more, but if things had gone differently they could've done.
 
hitmouse said:
Yeah, this. Without wanting to come over all Baudrillaud-wanky, I think that trying to distinguish between "real" and "fake" calls to action is to miss the way this stuff works. Bit like how I'm sure anyone who's been around the anarcho/libertarian left for a while will be able to think of a few examples of calls for "decentralised autonomous days of action" when nowt happened in most places, but that doesn't make those calls deliberate trick decoys either, just over-optimistic efforts by people who aren't good at organising.
Or to go back to that MAFC statement I posted yesterday:

I don't think you could call the two Salford visits "real" protests and the Stockport one wasn't much more substantial in the end, but also don't think they were deliberate fakes either - the intention was there, the circumstances didn't allow for them to develop into anything more, but if things had gone differently they could've done.
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It sounds like the state is taking that list as real and acting accordingly, if i read a headline right
 
As mentioned upthread, I encountered the fash in Blackpool but have come home to discover they might be out here (Bishop Auckland). Partner's daughter heard rumours they might be out last night, then saw an update that it would be tonight. I was in Morrisons this afternoon and started hearing rumours about the town centre being shut down. From conversations, people were saying they were being sent home early from work and that this was (apparently) coming from the police. Got home to hear that the nursery had rung partner's daughter to say they were closing early tonight on police advice. There does though seem to be a bit of confusion as to whether it will happen tonight or tomorrow, which could in turn relate to the long list of targets for Wednesday circulated a day or two back.

None of this might happen and it may remain at the level of rumour, though 'official' rumours. However, I guess similar scrambles to shut things down and send people home early will be happening in different places over the next 48 hours or more.
 
hitmouse said:
BTW, thought this statement from Unite Hospitality was very good, although annoying that they don't seem to have it in actual text form anywhere, just pictures in not the most readable font I've ever seen:
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FBU and CWU have both been making encouraging noises as well.
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Amazingly there is no red in those pictures :hmm:*


(shit joke relating to the bandwidth thread, apologies)
 
Wilf said:
As mentioned upthread, I encountered the fash in Blackpool but have come home to discover they might be out here (Bishop Auckland). Partner's daughter heard rumours they might be out last night, then saw an update that it would be tonight. I was in Morrisons this afternoon and started hearing rumours about the town centre being shut down. From conversations, people were saying they were being sent home early from work and that this was (apparently) coming from the police. Got home to hear that the nursery had rung partner's daughter to say they were closing early tonight on police advice. There does though seem to be a bit of confusion as to whether it will happen tonight or tomorrow, which could in turn relate to the long list of targets for Wednesday circulated a day or two back.

None of this might happen and it may remain at the level of rumour, though 'official' rumours. However, I guess similar scrambles to shut things down and send people home early will be happening in different places over the next 48 hours or more.
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Yeah, heard about people getting sent home from Salford today as well.
 
hitmouse said:
Yeah, this. Without wanting to come over all Baudrillaud-wanky, I think that trying to distinguish between "real" and "fake" calls to action is to miss the way this stuff works. Bit like how I'm sure anyone who's been around the anarcho/libertarian left for a while will be able to think of a few examples of calls for "decentralised autonomous days of action" when nowt happened in most places, but that doesn't make those calls deliberate trick decoys either, just over-optimistic efforts by people who aren't good at organising.
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Not sure it's 'bad' organising necessarily. I was involved in some national days of action against a certain shity company where we claimed 30 or 40 towns and cities were involved. Some of them had decent demos/actions, some were just a couple of people with a placard. But all of them meant the target had to provide security, prepare etc, both in the locations we called and in others just in case. As a tactic for causing maximum confusion and disruption for your target, together with looking bigger than you actually are, I don't think it's ineffective.
 
smokedout said:
Not sure it's 'bad' organising necessarily. I was involved in some national days of action against a certain shity company where we claimed 30 or 40 towns and cities were involved. Some of them had decent demos/actions, some were just a couple of people with a placard. But all of them meant the target had to provide security, prepare etc, both in the locations we called and in others just in case. As a tactic for causing maximum confusion and disruption for your target, together with looking bigger than you actually are, I don't think it's ineffective.
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Yeah, fair point.
 
ska invita said:
im sure you dont mean this but your post sounds like you care more about dogs than the POC who have been injured/hospitalised/set alight.
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Some of us have a greater affinity to dogs than the Police, you can count me in on that one
 
hitmouse said:
BTW, thought this statement from Unite Hospitality was very good, although annoying that they don't seem to have it in actual text form anywhere, just pictures in not the most readable font I've ever seen:
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ugh that font makes my eyes hurt :eek:

I have used this site below the convert images to text before. Doesn't always work. (Will try it in a bit)

Free Online OCR - Image to text and PDF to Doc converter

Image to text converter is a free OCR tool that allows you to convert Picture to text, convert PDF to Doc file and extract text from PDF files
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barlimo said:
As usual being insulting, wasting a post, nothing constructive to say.

You and the organ grinder should grow up.

And I am not anti-Semitic.
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Like hell you're not


barlimo said:
Jewish wife and relatives! So wonder what that cunt of a prime minister's excuse is.
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barlimo said:
The Holocausts is Israel's get out of jail card' they use it to justify just about any anything. I'm so sick of hearing about it that I have Holocaust fatigue. BTW 27 million Russians died in WW2 but I never hear them moaning about it.
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barlimo said:
Not surprising as both Labour and Conservative parties are funded by Jews
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barlimo said:
The catch all word for fending off all forms of criticism and it's worked marvellously for years.
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barlimo said:
Jewish wife and relatives! So wonder what that cunt of a prime minister's excuse is.
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barlimo said:
It's the final solution!
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barlimo said:
And they don't have any lobbies, money, or resources
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ska invita said:
Sorry to sound negative but surely they were insured?
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Back at the end of the last century, a fair few councils opted to "self insure" as premiums were so incredibly high and claims very few they felt it wasn't value for money and that funds could be better spent elsewhere. Iirc, most stuck money into a fund to cover any losses arising as a result.

I've no idea if that's still a thing, I've been out of local government for a long time, but it wouldn't surprise me.
 
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