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Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

Yes, some of the stuff I'm seeing isn't anti-fascist, it's anti working class. It is othering the poor and the deprived and it's sneering at the poorest communities. It needs to stop and it needs calling out, so good on you.
Yeah, Wetherspoons jokes are another one that always get rolled out in these situations.

Like, if you hate Spoons because Tim Martin's a wanker, then fair enough. But if you hate it because you look down on the people who drink there, then you're the wanker.

(Me, I hate Tim Martin AND drink in Spoons, because it's the only place round here I can get a pint for less than about six quid and I am poor).
 
There are some ,who like 'anti Tory' women who swear a bit and use the word cockwomble and there are others who object to a landlord running a financial business on social media platforms selling videos of an 'anti tory ' woman who swears a bit and uses the word 'cockwomble'. Some might think that its ok for an 'anti-Tory' woman to indulge in conspiracy theories about 9/11 and to have photographs of her and a mate with Hitler moustaches and T shirt with I love Hitler 'as a joke' at a music festival and others don't. All a matter of what anti tory means for middle-aged centrist blokes, which is her main audience, I suppose. She's a grifter which some people try and ignore.
Oh, she blocked me on Twitter last week. I was pretty chuffed about that tbh.
 
The Belfast thing interests me as this violence seems to be otherwise mainly confined to England.

Are these people rioting mainly loyalists targeting immigrants under the same 'take our country back' (i.e. Britain) or is there more to it? I know there have been reports of knobbers coming up from Dublin and I'm sure there are a fair amount of nationalists who share the sentiment but are these just fringe twats up for the violence, or is there more consensus across the community than that? I always had Belfast down as pretty white compared to English cities and put violence down to sectarianism, but perhaps I'm missing something?
Some poor man in his 50 has been hospitalised due to far right protesters battering him including jumping on his head. Businesses of immigrants have also been burnt down. Belfast isn’t different just less reported because trouble is expected there.
 
RE- this BBC reporter describing it as a 'pro-British protest', Sky has just reported that's how it was promoted, which probably explains the BBC reporter's comment on it.

The video clip is probably taking it out of context.

No, that's no excuse at all. It doesn't matter if they lie and call it a pro-British protest, the BBC is not obliged to go along with that lie.

It it was promoted as "the good guys' peaceful protest" would the BBC have called them that?
 
I've been looking through what the various "leaders" of Sunderland have been saying since the weekend and I've noticed the only voice that mentions racism is the Minster church people. Is this a common policy to completely ignore that the disturbances were entirely racist? Genuine question as I can't bring myself to read/watch much of the media as it's too depressing.
 
I've been looking through what the various "leaders" of Sunderland have been saying since the weekend and I've noticed the only voice that mentions racism is the Minster church people. Is this a common policy to completely ignore that the disturbances were entirely racist? Genuine question as I can't bring myself to read/watch much of the media as it's too depressing.

Speaking at a press conference at City Hall on Saturday, Police and Crime Commissioner Susan Dungworth said those involved in violence were promoting a "hatred-fuelled" agenda.

She said: "Violence, looting and vandalism: all this is not protesting, it is criminal behaviour.

"It is also not mourning the innocent loss of those children in Southport with whom our thoughts should be.

"The families of those victims have not been given a single thought by these thugs.


There is a distinct dearth of the word "racist" isn't there?
 
I look forward to seeing you on the streets then

Hmm, not sure if this is snark or not. If it isnt, disregard. But, are you suggesting I dont put myself out there? Plenty of progressives from the centre left to the middle left do.

Whilst I avoid violent protest or anything I think could turn violent, because I have to balance concerns, I put myself out there as and when I feel appropriate.

I support rights campaigns, usually over race, LGBTQ+, and womens rights and femicide both here and abroad, donate money, and have attended peaceful events here and in ways I legally can in Mexico too.

Just because I might not align with your block of the left, does not mean I dont do what I can to help causes. I think its overstepping to suggest as such.
 
The Belfast thing interests me as this violence seems to be otherwise mainly confined to England.

Are these people rioting mainly loyalists targeting immigrants under the same 'take our country back' (i.e. Britain) or is there more to it? I know there have been reports of knobbers coming up from Dublin and I'm sure there are a fair amount of nationalists who share the sentiment but are these just fringe twats up for the violence, or is there more consensus across the community than that? I always had Belfast down as pretty white compared to English cities and put violence down to sectarianism, but perhaps I'm missing something?

My intuition is loyalist paramilitary thugs trying to remain relevant, they're deeply immersed in far right politics anyway.

The "cross community" nonsense strikes me as a gimmick, they've got a few fascists up from Dublin but haven't seen any evidence of them getting Catholics from Northern Ireland on board because they are well aware of who these fuckers are and have been at the receiving end of their bigotry before.
 
Down here the authorities have called it violence and hatred. No mention of racism which you have to feel is a deliberate choice.
It's probably because they don't want to alienate the Daily Mail, Express or Sun reading public they've been desperately trying to court. Some Tories, Refukkers and assorted Xitterati have already jumped on the old "it's not racist to be concerned about immigration and asylum" bollocks.
 
Hmm, not sure if this is snark or not. If it isnt, disregard. But, are you suggesting I dont put myself out there? Plenty of progressives from the centre left to the middle left do.

Whilst I avoid violent protest or anything I think could turn violent, because I have to balance concerns, I put myself out there as and when I feel appropriate.

I support rights campaigns, usually over race, LGBTQ+, and womens rights and femicide both here and abroad, donate money, and have attended peaceful events here and in ways I legally can in Mexico too.

Just because I might not align with your block of the left, does not mean I dont do what I can to help causes. I think its overstepping to suggest as such.
when i heard you say that it was really important that progressives stand together i rather took you at your word. as you'll note i haven't asked you to align with anyone except yourself.
 
when i heard you say that it was really important that progressives stand together i rather took you at your word. as you'll note i haven't asked you to align with anyone except yourself.

Maybe the internet and words on a screen. It sounded like snark. If not, disregard my comment. Anyway, this is off topic
 
My intuition is loyalist paramilitary thugs trying to remain relevant, they're deeply immersed in far right politics anyway.

The "cross community" nonsense strikes me as a gimmick, they've got a few fascists up from Dublin but haven't seen any evidence of them getting Catholics from Northern Ireland on board because they are well aware of who these fuckers are and have been at the receiving end of their bigotry before.

That would be my intuition too. I guess I'm just trying to work out if this is simply opportunist rioting seized upon by loyalist scumbags to assert their 'authority' when it's demonstrably on the decline, or if there is a genuine sentiment of anti immigrant, anti-Islamic etc hatred which seems to be at the epicenter of the English riots.

By any measure Northern Ireland has a way smaller percentage of ethnic minorities compared to England and presumably only a handful of asylum seekers so my guess is its mostly the former but with a smattering of the latter.
 
That would be my intuition too. I guess I'm just trying to work out if this is simply opportunist rioting seized upon by loyalist scumbags to assert their 'authority' when it's demonstrably on the decline, or if there is a genuine sentiment of anti immigrant, anti-Islamic etc hatred which seems to be at the epicenter of the English riots.

By any measure Northern Ireland has a way smaller percentage of ethnic minorities compared to England and presumably only a handful of asylum seekers so my guess is its mostly the former but with a smattering of the latter.
There are quite a lot of ties between the English far right and Northern Irish Loyalists so even if there isn't genuine anti-immigration sentiment in NI they will be consuming the same social media.

FWIW some of the places that have seen the worst rioting in England are overwhelmingly white as well. Sunderland for example.
 
Maybe the internet and words on a screen. It sounded like snark. If not, disregard my comment. Anyway, this is off topic
Tbh if you'll stick away from anything at which there might be violence you'll end up stopping at home. Vigil for a murdered woman? March against an oppressive bill? A picket line? Sure we can all think of occasions when what should have been peaceful hasn't been, through no fault of the people who've attended. You said progressives should stand together but it sounds like it has to be on your terms. Which, without being snarky in the least, isn't really standing together.
 
FWIW some of the places that have seen the worst rioting in England are overwhelmingly white as well. Sunderland for example.

Overwhelmingly white but nonetheless blaming immigrants and asylum seekers for their shitty lives. Can that same 'logic' be applied to Northern Ireland where there's only a fraction of that? Maybe in the context of the UK but why then aren't any cities in Wales or Scotland involved in all this?

To me it seems a very English affair, so this has to be mostly bandwagon jumping by loyalist knobheads who of course are more than happy to bang on about patriotism when its convenient.
 
Overwhelmingly white but nonetheless blaming immigrants and asylum seekers for their shitty lives. Can that same 'logic' be applied to Northern Ireland where there's only a fraction of that? Maybe in the context of the UK but why then aren't any cities in Wales or Scotland involved in all this?

To me it seems a very English affair, so this has to be mostly bandwagon jumping by loyalist knobheads who of course are more than happy to bang on about patriotism when its convenient.
as lovecraft pointed out, the oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. so it isn't really that surprising that places which have very few visible immigrants or asylum seekers are places which have seen some of the greatest violence. it's really difficult to imagine people in hackney or tottenham or toxteth or handsworth kicking off about immigration or asylum seekers as they have done in places with far fewer black and brown people.
 
Organise has this report up from Hull... Hull: Countering the Far Right | Reportback - Organise Magazine

As mentioned to some of you offline, Hull was taken a little by surprise. Possibly not helped by a music festival other side of the city, but also a certain naivety of 'nothing much will happen here' and it shows it can and will. And a need to really strengthen anti-fash numbers here and be able to mobilise better when needed.
 
The Belfast thing interests me as this violence seems to be otherwise mainly confined to England.

Are these people rioting mainly loyalists targeting immigrants under the same 'take our country back' (i.e. Britain) or is there more to it? I know there have been reports of knobbers coming up from Dublin and I'm sure there are a fair amount of nationalists who share the sentiment but are these just fringe twats up for the violence, or is there more consensus across the community than that? I always had Belfast down as pretty white compared to English cities and put violence down to sectarianism, but perhaps I'm missing something?
I know there are racists in the nationalist community too, but from what I've read dark skinned minority businesses have been attacked by loyalists, not nationalists. Anyone from NI who knows more?
 
Another one of those heart-warming stories coming out amongst all the shit news.

A fundraising campaign has raised more than £120,000 to help repair a Liverpool library and community hub that suffered severe fire damage after being targeted by rioters on Saturday night.

Nigella Lawson and children’s laureate Frank Cottrell-Boyce are among those who have donated to the gofundme page, which was set up on Sunday afternoon in aid of Spellow Hub library.

The fundraising page had an initial target of £500 but has gone on to raise more than £120,000 in two days, from more than 6,000 donations.

It's now just short of £130k. :)

 
I've just got back from holidays in Spain. Apparently my 18 year old son decided to go for dinner last night in Plymouth city centre with two of his friends - both of whom are Asian. Because why should a protest stop them? (thanks BBC :thumbs:) Anyway, the restaurant let them out the back door and then B had to retrieve his bike from the far right side of the goings-on and managed to avoid missiles luckily. Honestly, the sky could be falling in and they wouldn't notice. But then again, when you look at the age of the people on the scene, they seem to be much closer to my age than his. Maybe his age group isn't being targeted in the same way, I don't know.
 
I've just got back from holidays in Spain. Apparently my 18 year old son decided to go for dinner last night in Plymouth city centre with two of his friends - both of whom are Asian. Because why should a protest stop them? (thanks BBC :thumbs:) Anyway, the restaurant let them out the back door and then B had to retrieve his bike from the far right side of the goings-on and managed to avoid missiles luckily. Honestly, the sky could be falling in and they wouldn't notice. But then again, when you look at the age of the people on the scene, they seem to be much closer to my age than his. Maybe his age group isn't being targeted in the same way, I don't know.

That's scary 😔
 
One thing that I think should be stressed more than it has been: given that the main animus of these thugs is a hatred of immigrants and their offspring, why do they hero worship "Tommy Robinson" (Yaxley-Lennon) who himself is the son of an immigrant?
The man's a habitual liar as far as I can tell. And by the looks of it this hero of theirs has led them into nothing but misfortune by winding them up and egging them on. Causing trouble for so many young people and families. Not that I feel a great deal of sympathy for those who fell in with him, but he is so obviously only in it to line his pockets that it's tragic all round really. Even the false legitimacy claimed vs the reality (terrorised groups, hurting their own communities), he's just bad news and a bad guy.
 
It's probably because they don't want to alienate the Daily Mail, Express or Sun reading public they've been desperately trying to court. Some Tories, Refukkers and assorted Xitterati have already jumped on the old "it's not racist to be concerned about immigration and asylum" bollocks.
I think it's that if they call it racist that opens the door to questioning if the whole immigration system is rascist.
 
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