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Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

Am very hopeful and impressed with the unity shown by activists and communities over the last few days, so the infighting in the urban community is somewhat depressing :(

I hear you, but I am honestly not sure whether it would be best to try to reassure anyone that we're all on the same side really, or this is why we can't get our shit together and welcome to anti-capitalist/leftie factionalism. :(

Sometimes there's too much "I'm putting you on ignore" and "You clearly can't read" rather than working together on stuff we might agree on - we are all the roots of our own failure.
 
I do feel that I am in a kind of alternate universe version of Urban. With all this cheering on the police in public order roles.

Remember the police and the wider criminal 'justice' system are primarily established to protect and preserve the state, all the crime, disorder and public safety stuff they do most of the time are a serendipitous 'bonus'. (Personally I can't see how any society would do this differently but that's just me)

Just because the current people challenging the state are right wing knuckle draggers mobilised by wealth from somewhere doesn't change this.
I don't want the police to get more powers and I agree, of course, about their role. But if it's fash v cops in a battle over a town centre or migrant hotel, you'd hope the cops won out. I'd actually prefer it to be us kicking them back and it's the relative shortage of 'us' that is the core problem.
 
I've come up with some new tshirt/badge slogan ideas for Urbfest.

Anger is a Request for the Govt to Ban Social Media.
Baby Eating Let's Have More Police Powers.

Who was it asked for the government to ban social media? I missed that slew of posts. 🤔
 
I do feel that I am in a kind of alternate universe version of Urban. With all this cheering on the police in public order roles.

Remember the police and the wider criminal 'justice' system are primarily established to protect and preserve the state, all the crime, disorder and public safety stuff they do most of the time are a serendipitous 'bonus'. (Personally I can't see how any society would do this differently but that's just me)

Just because the current people challenging the state are right wing knuckle draggers mobilised by wealth from somewhere doesn't change this.
We'll make a wanky revolutionary out of you yet!
 
People disagree, especially on stressful/sensitive things. I certainly don't bare Epona any ill will, not beyond a fleeting disagreement anyway.
Just to reassure on similar point, I only remember grudges about people who have a more personal gripe or bigotry towards me due to gender stuff, I am unlikely to remember this disagreement in a week from now.
 
SM is far greater than twitter or whatever it's called now, isn't it? X is just one platform and I'm guessing than no-one seriously uses it for more than bantz and shades.
 
Water cannon b4 baton rounds
Not sure that cops should be trusted to use water cannons or baton rounds.

Water cannon

Folk have been blinded by their use in Germany


Baton rounds

Linda Tirado, the blogger turned journalist who was reporting on riots in the aftermath of the extrajudicial killing of George Floyd by American cops, was blinded in her left eye after being hit by a baton round in 2020 in Minneapolis. iirc, she's had several lots of surgery since then, due to complications from her injuries, and she was recently reported to have entered hospice care as she's now dying from her injuries in her early forties.

 
SM is far greater than twitter or whatever it's called now, isn't it? X is just one platform and I'm guessing than no-one seriously uses it for more than bantz and shades.

I don't post on Shitter, but I follow some environmental groups, and because I click the tab to only see posts from people I follow, I don't get any of this bonkers shit. :confused:

That in itself is a choice.
 
Honestly, I haven't made it up!

I read cupid's demand there to be an end to Musk ownership of this huge platform, which I really agree with. I'd do it with a bullet rather than a civil writ, but Musk is wholly dangerous. Putting him on pause, like we would a fascist leaflet printer from the 30's, if we possibly could, isn't just justifiable, I think it's essential.

Going after easily led blokes throwing wheelie bins is not it. Going after the billionaire media owner for the sowing of false narratives and facilitation of hate crime is it.
 
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I don't post on Shitter, but I follow some environmental groups, and because I click the tab to only see posts from people I follow, I don't get any of this bonkers shit. :confused:

That in itself is a choice.
I get notifications but I rarely go on there now.

Edit: they started to insist on adding my birthday just to access my notifications, the place reeks.
 
I don't post on Shitter, but I follow some environmental groups, and because I click the tab to only see posts from people I follow, I don't get any of this bonkers shit. :confused:

That in itself is a choice.

I signed up the other day to follow the news and it's really rigged from the start. First recommended accounts I got were Musk and Tucker Carlson, feed is loaded with RW stuff too. Easy to just accept if you're more arsed about football news than politics I imagine.
 
Am very hopeful and impressed with the unity shown by activists and communities over the last few days, so the infighting in the urban community is somewhat depressing :(
Me too. I'm glad people are fighting back, because the police are useless twats.

I occasionally go on there for football stuff but avoid For You.
 
I signed up the other day to follow the news and it's really rigged from the start. First recommended accounts I got were Musk and Tucker Carlson, feed is loaded with RW stuff too. Easy to just accept if you're more arsed about football news than politics I imagine.
You aren't forced to click the recommended follows.

I don't see tweets from those people.
 
You aren't forced to click the recommended follows.

I don't see tweets from those people.

You're not. It does push you to follow one account during registration though, the top choices were Musk and Carlson. If you're not into politics then that's the rocket guy and some TV presenter so easy to click and forget.
 
I signed up the other day to follow the news and it's really rigged from the start. First recommended accounts I got were Musk and Tucker Carlson, feed is loaded with RW stuff too. Easy to just accept if you're more arsed about football news than politics I imagine.
I use twitter. It's where non league footie "happens". apart from that I follow comedy accounts like the world bollard association and terrible maps. .

I don't get any RW filth.

I suspect Telegram is a more worrying conduit.
 
Well as a rough rule, and I'm no techie, the algorithms certainly seem to be biased one way. Twitter? Well there were people who were 'deplatformed' who were subsequently replatformed when it became some arsehole billionaire's latest gadget.
 
I do feel that I am in a kind of alternate universe version of Urban. With all this cheering on the police in public order roles.

Remember the police and the wider criminal 'justice' system are primarily established to protect and preserve the state, all the crime, disorder and public safety stuff they do most of the time are a serendipitous 'bonus'. (Personally I can't see how any society would do this differently but that's just me)

Just because the current people challenging the state are right wing knuckle draggers mobilised by wealth from somewhere doesn't change this.
Completely agree.

Interestingly, I heard a programme on R4 today, Policing Protest. Looking it up just now to share a link, looks like it's a three-parter, and I only heard part three, Political Space. There are two more, Police Force, and Tactics and Crowds.

I thought it was interesting, because I expected it to be much more from the police perspective (although maybe that's reflected in the other episodes?), but it mentioned things like the privatisation of public space and how there are fewer places where the public can gather and protest and express dissent. It also mentioned how police powers were strengthened by the Criminal Justice Act back in the day. And in the present day the issue of proscribed groups and classifying environmental activists as 'terrorists', etc.

Political Space​

Policing Protest

The story of policing is bound up with the history of protest. Far more than dealing with demonstrations on the street, policing owes its very existence to fears of political unrest and to help protect the state from public disorder. In this wide-ranging three-part series, BBC Home Affairs Editor Mark Easton, with the help of former Police Assistant Commissioner Rob Beckley, tells the story of policing protest in the UK from Peterloo to the present - and beyond.

Episode 3: Political Space

Protest needs public space. In this episode Mark looks at the issue of demonstration and the quiet erosion of such space, as our shared urban areas fall increasingly under private and corporate control: is the reality of the public square, the space of protest, in danger? But protest and the police response doesn’t just happen in the physical space – increasingly it happens in the virtual too. With powerful new technology at their disposal the police conduct surveillance and intelligence operations on protest groups of all types. But in the wake of the ‘spy cops’ scandal what are the limits of this kind of activity? And as protest tactics by groups like Just Stop Oil and the new climate activists Shut the System become more disruptive, more radical, who decides which groups are considered ‘extremist’ and proscribed as such?

Modern policing in Britain has its origins in protest. The Metropolitan Police was founded by Robert Peel in 1829 in the shadow of the Peterloo massacre ten years earlier where, under instruction from the government, local militia fired directly into the crowd gathered in Manchester in support of voting rights for working men. Peel devised the notion of ‘policing by consent’ as a way of securing support for police within communities, as opposed to using coercive force from without. So simultaneously a police force, an arm of the state tasked with controlling public order and crowd control, that would also be a community service - sensitive and responsive to citizens. This tension lies at the heart of policing even today and is part of a deeper story of how society contains and manages dissent.

Today, policing protest and the control of public order remain at the heart of modern policing. Every week in the capital and cities around the UK the sheer scale, diversity and number of protests is increasing - from domestic issues to climate change and international affairs, with large protests on events in the Middle East. There are huge variations in tactics and the use of social media by different groups – from marching and procession to occupation and ‘static’ protest, direct action and disinformation. And all of this requires policing.

In an era of what police are calling ‘chronic’ protest, resources are being stretched to breaking point. Live social media means the police are under more scrutiny and pressure than ever. Organisations like Extinction Rebellion have brought the capital to a standstill while other groups, like Black Lives Matter, have targeted policing itself as an object of protest.

Hearing from police officers of all ranks, activists and agitators from across the protest spectrum, historians, political thinkers, lawyers and journalists – and rich with archive - this series goes deep into the philosophical foundations and real tactics of public order policing. It explores the future of AI in policing protest and new technologies deployed by protestors, the police’s use of crowd psychology, the testing of ‘operational independence’ in the face of political pressure and the regulation of what spaces may or may not be used for public dissent today – the erosion of the protest space, reclaiming our political commons.

Where does the future of protest lie - and with new powers at their disposal, how will it be policed?

Contributors include Lyse Ducet, BBC Chief International Correspondent; Police Sergeant Harriet Blenman; Chief Constable Chris Noble; public order Bronze Commander Jack May-Robinson; historian Katrina Navikas; Graham Smith, CEO of Republic; author Anna Minton; journalist Danny Penman; Rick Muir, director of the Police Foundation; author and police strategy advisor Tom Gash; XR liaison and former police officer Paul Stephens; climate activist Dan Hooper, aka ‘Swampy’; Miriam, activist with Shut the System; author Dan Hancox; human rights barrister Michael Mansfield KC; government advisor on ‘Political Violence and Disruption’ John Woodcock aka Lord Walney; David Mead, professor of human rights and public order law at UEA and former Labour Home Secretary, Lord David Blunkett.

Presented by Mark Easton, with reporting by Rob Beckley
Reading by Zachary Nachbar Seckel
Produced by Simon Hollis
A Brook Lapping production for BBC Radio 4
 
The stuff I can see on Shitter right now is:

NASA
NASA
Archaeology UK
NASA
Elder Scrolls Online
Cody Dock
London Museum
London Museum
Thames Festival Trust
Thames21
Voley
Thames River Trust
Archaeology UK

I mean seriously it is possible to just use the platform for the things you're interested in!
If you're seeing tweets from Musk, it's because you've clicked something to get tweets from Musk in your feed.

A lot of the above and other stuff I get in mine is environmental campaigning stuff
 
You're not. It does push you to follow one account during registration though, the top choices were Musk and Carlson. If you're not into politics then that's the rocket guy and some TV presenter so easy to click and forget.
So it should be banned because... people are too stupid to be discerning about the content they are shown?

Come on you know this isn't right.
 
The stuff I can see on Shitter right now is:

NASA
NASA
Archaeology UK
NASA
Elder Scrolls Online
Cody Dock
London Museum
London Museum
Thames Festival Trust
Thames21
Voley
Thames River Trust
Archaeology UK

I mean seriously it is possible to just use the platform for the things you're interested in!
If you're seeing tweets from Musk, it's because you've clicked something to get tweets from Musk in your feed.

A lot of the above and other stuff I get in mine is environmental campaigning stuff

It's not specifically about Musk though, it's about what gets pushed to the top. I just clicked on the latest BBC breaking post about the riots and of the top 10 replies all were blue ticks and 7/10 were right wing. You can silo yourself away from that but then you're not going to see the issues, are you? And that's all by design, whatever your view on how it should be dealt with Musk's blue tick system and selective promotion/banning are designed to create narratives.
 
Twitter isn't a free speech platform, it's a heavily mediated corporate one.

Again, for the hard of hearing, I'm not advocating a ban (and really, it makes no difference if anyone in here does).

I don't think it should be banned either, but I do think that whilst people (including Musk) are monetising all this (and using it to flex in elections via influence and data mining) that they should be held accountable in at least the same way that a private individual, a newspaper or a pub would be if they benefited financially from the organization and dissemination of hate speech and/or criminal activity in their homes / papers / establishment.
 
It's not specifically about Musk though, it's about what gets pushed to the top. I just clicked on the latest BBC breaking post about the riots and of the top 10 replies all were blue ticks and 7/10 were right wing. You can silo yourself away from that but then you're not going to see the issues, are you? And that's all by design, whatever your view on how it should be dealt with Musk's blue tick system and selective promotion/banning are designed to create narratives.
The top of what?
I don't see any of this.

Click the "Following" tab.
 
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