Far-right response to Southport Outrage And Ongoing Violent Disorder

[Epona]

Oh my god, half of you are missing the point, I feel like I've landed in State Control central.
I thought this was more of an anarchist board, and I was the odd one out being a socialist?

 

[BigMoaner]

Are you serious? Musk is adding fuel to the fire, the fire that these loons are trying to get going, to burn people alive!

Is he still paying those with the highest engagement? Remember Tate saying how chuffed he was at finding £25k in his account one morning from X.

I think social media being so monitised is a challenge for democracy. Not sure of any solution.

 

[andrewc]

Multiple reports on Twitter saying that workers in the passport office & immigration reporting centre in Liverpool city centre (Old Hall St & Union St) were told to work from home today as there was a threatened demo at 14:00. Nothing seems to have happened though & there is nothing in the local paper.

 

[cupid_stunt]

People are aware that Musk has said "civil war in the UK is inevitable" whilst his business is trying to incite it? Right?

It appear Epona isn't.

 

[Humberto]

Judge them by the fruits they bear. It's not just people, there's bot farms for hire too. It's seriously fucked up and is fucking things up here in the UK and elsewhere. They should bear no responsibility, face no consequences?

 

[lengualo]

Oh my god, half of you are missing the point, I feel like I've landed in State Control central.
I thought this was more of an anarchist board, and I was the odd one out being a socialist?

I'm not, a load of us came from AVF so are prob centre left/left. The board description says "the left" which is a broad spectrum.

 

[YouSir]

Oh my god, half of you are missing the point, I feel like I've landed in State Control central.
I thought this was more of an anarchist board, and I was the odd one out being a socialist?

You're the one having vapours over the fate of massive corporate media platforms.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Oh my god, half of you are missing the point, I feel like I've landed in State Control central.
I thought this was more of an anarchist board, and I was the odd one out being a socialist?

No, you are clearly not following the news about what Musk himself is doing on his play-thing platform.

Or, if you are, you are barking mad.

 

[lengualo]

I'm out for tonight, this is all getting too much and the situation in this country is just depressing. I think my SOs country might be safer.

 

[Epona]

You're the one having vapours over the fate of massive corporate media platforms.

No, you are clearly not following the news about what Musk himself is doing on his play-thing platform.

Or, if you are, you are barking mad.

You simply just don't understand that the Government will NEVER be on our side, and asking for restrictions to internet access is insane.

Can you not hear yourselves?

 

[Wookey]

Oh my god, half of you are missing the point, I feel like I've landed in State Control central.
I thought this was more of an anarchist board, and I was the odd one out being a socialist?

Fining Ego Musk a squillion pounds for facilitating illegal acts is well within my anarchist boundaries.

 

[YouSir]

You simply just don't understand that the Government will NEVER be on our side, and asking for restrictions to internet access is insane.

Can you not hear yourselves?

Where did I do that? And don't be so fucking patronising.

 

[cupid_stunt]

You simply just don't understand that the Government will NEVER be on our side, and asking for restrictions to internet access is insane.

Can you not hear yourselves?

You clearly haven't a fucking clue what Musk is doing, just fuck off.

I am putting you on ignore until you do.

 

[Epona]

Musk is a dangerous loon, but if we call on the government to ban Shitter, where the fuck do you expect them to stop?
This will not go in our favour over the long term.

 

[Humberto]

No need for any bad feeling is there?

 

[Epona]

You clearly haven't a fucking clue what Musk is doing, just fuck off.

I am putting you on ignore until you do.

Are you going to take me off ignore once we're more like China with access to media prohibited based on what the government want?

Because trust me once a precedent is set, that will NOT go well for the left.

 

[Epona]

I feel like I've landed in a room full of Tankies, circa 1980.

 

[YouSir]

Musk is a dangerous loon, but if we call on the government to ban Shitter, where the fuck do you expect them to stop?
This will not go in our favour over the long term.

The government couldn't care less what we do or don't call for and whatever's next will be whatever is most convenient for them and capital, same as ever.

 

[Lotte]

But you want to call on the Government to restrict access to media.

Do you mistakenly think the Government is on our side or something?

What about all the environmental and left wing stuff that gets organised on social media?

I can't believe that some of you think some sort of crackdown and banning of the use of social media would be in any way helpful! It's insane?

That's what worries me. It's always the left who get cracked down on, not the right. And yes, Musk is dangerous and I'm not disagreeing he is, but I do not trust Starmer with this.

 

[YouSir]

I feel like I've landed in a room full of Tankies, circa 1980.

Possibly because your reading comprehension is so shocking. Not once have I said the government should do anything, I've just commented on the affects of actions they may take.

 

[Epona]

Possibly because your reading comprehension is so shocking. Not once have I said the government should do anything, I've just commented on the affects of actions they may take.

Others have said it though, you're not the only other person in the room with me.
But yes I am aware how disagreements on the politics forum go - stop arguing the point, start slinging insults about reading comprehension and intelligence around.
Are you forgetting that we're supposed to be on the same side?

 

[Ax^]

hmm giving the police more powers is not the best course of action they got their little power up this year with what they can do against standard protesters

the cops are just not using the power they have on hand to their full advantage

jesus how many more days of softy softy approaches

jesus having been on the other side of cops trying to crack heads in the past . got to say it high time the police put on the big boy pants and cracked down on these wankers

 

[YouSir]

Others have said it though, you're not the only other person in the room with me.

You've quoted me and I'm one of only 3 people actively in the conversation. And a second ago it was a room full of '80s Tankies'.

 

[Epona]

You've quoted me and I'm one of only 3 people actively in the conversation. And a second ago it was a room full of '80s Tankies'.

I've quoted other people too.
If this is going to be the direction you want this conversation to take.
Which would seem a shame.
(Typical of the Politics forums though).

 

[BigMoaner]

Oh my god, half of you are missing the point, I feel like I've landed in State Control central.
I thought this was more of an anarchist board, and I was the odd one out being a socialist?

Do love anarching my way into helping musks bottom line. Proper anarchy that.

Agree with you on the banning though.

Came across a clip of Robinson earlier and he was going on about X has created an online revolution. This was post the riots too. They have a home. Who knows if it will become a true cesspit and the arse falls out of it for good?

 

[YouSir]

I've quoted other people too.
If this is going to be the direction you want this conversation to take.
Which would seem a shame.
(Typical of the Politics forums though).

The conversation pretty much ended when you stopped engaging with what people were saying and started being patronising and insulting. I have no tolerance for that so we have no more to discuss here.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Sure, and for most of us this time feels so much shitter because of the politics running through it and the way it is sucking people in (chants of Tommy Robinson etc). I feel like there's nothing else the government could really have done differently other than emphasise that the behaviour (looting, violence, destruction) is an illegitimate and criminal act with no justification. Which they have done. I hope they can deliver the other part that they've emphasised, the intention to root out and prosecute if neccessary the malicious stirrers and influencers of this horrible behaviour that we have seen from those following them

I disagree. Having campaigned on the message of 'change' Starmer could've started to deliver instead of saying more of the same, there's no money, etc.

Two key government/whip decisions since Starmer took office:

(1) Not only were Labour MPs whipped not to vote in favour of overturning the two-child benefit cap, but seven Labour MPs who effectively decided that for them it was a matter of conscience, were suspended.

Most Labour MPs support restoring higher benefits to families with more than two children anyway, so why cause a delay? Was it because the amendment was moved by the SNP, and instead of championing it as an example of cross-party working, Starmer didn't want to give the SNP that 'victory'? He'd rather play politics and continue to let children go hungry and suffer from malnutrition? Either way he's a cunt.

(2) Reaching an agreement with junior doctors to end their strike on the basis of a 22 per cent pay rise.

To be clear, I don't begrudge them that - the real terms value of their pay has eroded over the Conservative government, and when you consider the long hours they work and calculate their hourly rate, it's a pittance, considering they've done 4-6 years of medical school and got into a horrendous amount of debt.

But 'consider the optics' as people in politics often say.

The Labour party has decided to let poor families with children stay poor, thinks it's okay to punish the children for the 'sins' of their parents. Meanwhile the professional classes get preferential treatment, there's enough money for them. So the poorer working classes get shafted.

In the circumstances, d'you not think that the government could and should've done more than send out a message that wasn't so much 'let them eat cake' as 'let them use a foodbank'.

The government sent a clear message that they didn't give a fuck about poor children and poor families. After years of Conservative austerity, the tinder was already bone dry, then Starmer's government heaped a bit of kindling on it, and then it was just a matter of time.

The answer to the backlash for treating poor people like shit isn't to treat them even shitter.

I think the lessons learned from the 1981 riots were that deprived areas needed investment, they needed jobs, they needed public services, they needed youth clubs, etc, etc, etc.

 

[mx wcfc]

jesus having been on the other side of cops trying to crack heads in the past . got to say it high time the police put on the big boy pants and cracked down on these wankers

Likewise. I've never seen the filth so fking ineffective.
Somehow, they've always seemed a lot more "enthusiastic" on leftie demos (and in football disorder I've seen too).

Remember last time the police had the specialist riot units that Starmer is so in favour of?

Blair Peach died. On an anti-racist demo.

 

[Humberto]

I disagree. Having campaigned on the message of 'change' Starmer could've started to deliver instead of saying more of the same, there's no money, etc.

Two key government/whip decisions since Starmer took office:

(1) Not only were Labour MPs whipped not to vote in favour of overturning the two-child benefit cap, but seven Labour MPs who effectively decided that for them it was a matter of conscience, were suspended.

Most Labour MPs support restoring higher benefits to families with more than two children anyway, so why cause a delay? Was it because the amendment was moved by the SNP, and instead of championing it as an example of cross-party working, Starmer didn't want to give the SNP that 'victory'? He'd rather play politics and continue to let children go hungry and suffer from malnutrition? Either way he's a cunt.

(2) Reaching an agreement with junior doctors to end their strike on the basis of a 22 per cent pay rise.

To be clear, I don't begrudge them that - the real terms value of their pay has eroded over the Conservative government, and when you consider the long hours they work and calculate their hourly rate, it's a pittance, considering they've done 4-6 years of medical school and got into a horrendous amount of debt.

But 'consider the optics' as people in politics often say.

The Labour party has decided to let poor families with children stay poor, thinks it's okay to punish the children for the 'sins' of their parents. Meanwhile the professional classes get preferential treatment, there's enough money for them. So the poorer working classes get shafted.

In the circumstances, d'you not think that the government could and should've done more than send out a message that wasn't so much 'let them eat cake' as 'let them use a foodbank'.

The government sent a clear message that they didn't give a fuck about poor children and poor families. After years of Conservative austerity, the tinder was already bone dry, then Starmer's government heaped a bit of kindling on it, and then it was just a matter of time.

The answer to the backlash for treating poor people like shit isn't to treat them even shitter.

I think the lessons learned from the 1981 riots were that deprived areas needed investment, they needed jobs, they needed public services, they needed youth clubs, etc, etc, etc.

Fair enough.

 

[Ax^]

aye with the news reporting of the last few days with the police and media mentioning counter protesters facing off against the fash


believe it more likely non fash protesters are going to take the full force of the police response when it finally comes down to it