Euros Final - Italy v England - Sunday 11/07 - 20:00

[planetgeli]

Penalties are a lottery and we lost the lottery - again. The fact there are people on this page saying 'top corner' 'bottom corner' gives you an idea of just how much of a lottery.

We lost. It hurts. But it was a lottery. Maybe Italy deserved to win. But it ain't the penalties that decided that. Well, they did, but, y'know.

 

[Johnny Doe]

Saka will have his redemption penalty and I will have another gif to cry at. Come on WC 2022.

I'd go bottom corner against all keepers, I do in fact, having had the only one I've ever lifted saved. My redemption, scoring the winning pen in the semi-final of The London Old Boys Veterans Cup, the following season, was quite the scene!

You should have been there!

 

[ddraig]

Penalties are a lottery and we lost the lottery - again. The fact there are people on this page saying 'top corner' 'bottom corner' gives you an idea of just how much of a lottery.

We lost. It hurts. But it was a lottery. Maybe Italy deserved to win. But it ain't the penalties that decided that. Well, they did, but, y'know.

Maybe?

 

[Poot]

Oh bless you, boys. The worst possible result because it's so much easier to throw blame about with penalties. I hope they remember all they achieved. They really brightened the last few weeks and i hope we remember that. Clearly the drunken tit in the stolen car outside my house at 3am doesnt.

 

[Diamond]

So, your selection for penalties were?

Shaw, Sterling, Phillips, Stones, Walker - all of these are highly technical footballers with ample experience who have won many many things between them.

Most importantly, they are not just out of boyhood.

 

[Pickman's model]

Shaw, Sterling, Phillips, Stones, Walker - all of these are highly technical footballers with ample experience who have won many many things between them.

Most importantly, they are not just out of boyhood.

do you think saka was just there to make up the numbers because southgate could only come up with 25 names and needed one more for his squad?

 

[planetgeli]

Shaw, Sterling, Phillips, Stones, Walker - all of these are highly technical footballers with ample experience who have won many many things between them.

Most importantly, they are not just out of boyhood.

So you wouldn't have had Kane? At which point everyone stops listening to you.

 

[magneze]

Shaw, Sterling, Phillips, Stones, Walker - all of these are highly technical footballers with ample experience who have won many many things between them.

Most importantly, they are not just out of boyhood.

Donnarumma saved 4 of those. What now?

 

[Diamond]

It turns out that it was all about James Ward-Prowse in the end...

 

[Steel Icarus]

Shaw, Sterling, Phillips, Stones, Walker - all of these are highly technical footballers with ample experience who have won many many things between them.

Most importantly, they are not just out of boyhood.

So not the two scoring takers. Skillz

 

[Diamond]

So you wouldn't have had Kane? At which point everyone stops listening to you.

I thought the question was who would you have had instead of Rashford, Sancho and Saka...

 

[klang]

missed it. thought it was today. just looked at this thread cause I wondered why before the match it already had 50 pages.....

 

[magneze]

I thought the question was who would you have had instead of Rashford, Sancho and Saka...

So you picked 5 to replace 3. I don't think that's allowed under football or mathematics?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I thought the question was who would you have had instead of Rashford, Sancho and Saka...

But this is classic after-the-fact reasoning. You wouldn't have had Rashford at 3? Really?

 

[1927]

The racists defacing murals don't support England.

They do, however much you don’t want to believe it.

 

[brogdale]

They do, however much you don’t want to believe it.

ABE

 

[strung out]

They do, however much you don’t want to believe it.

Agreed. One of my pet hates is people saying that the racists/hooligans etc aren't football fans. They are, the game has got a problem with it because society has got a problem with it.

 

[hash tag]

You know what, they should never have let it get to penalties, which are horrible for all concerned.

 

[Athos]

Shaw, Sterling, Phillips, Stones, Walker - all of these are highly technical footballers with ample experience who have won many many things between them.

Most importantly, they are not just out of boyhood.

Did they volunteer?

 

[Lord Camomile]

do you think saka was just there to make up the numbers because southgate could only come up with 25 names and needed one more for his squad?

Again, not the point, but I did have a minor "wtf?! " moment when I clocked Saka was wearing 25.

Just so used to 23 being the highest squad number, and it being on the second reserve 'keeper!

 

[Rebelda]

You should have been there!

Alright knock off Pearcey

 

[1927]

ABE

What has my comment got anything to do with ABE?

 

[Lord Camomile]

You know what, they should never have let it get to penalties, which are horrible for all concerned.

This is always the thing for me; no game, or indeed tournament, is decided on one kick (or three) or one mistake.

It's not Saka's fault (arguably even less so Rashford or Sancho) that he was put in a position where he had to score a penalty to save his nation's hopes.

It was on the whole team to win (or lose, I guess...) in 120 minutes. Just like no one player wins it for a team, no one player loses it for them, either.

 

[SpookyFrank]

This is always the thing for me; no game, or indeed tournament, is decided on one kick (or three) or one mistake.

It's not Saka's fault (arguably even less so Rashford or Sancho) that he was put in a position where he had to score a penalty to save his nation's hopes.

It was on the whole team to win (or lose, I guess...) in 120 minutes. Just like no one player wins it for a team, no one player loses it for them, either.

I hope he takes heart from Southgate's trajectory from penalty failure to national treasure status. And Saka has enough about him to become a national treasure for sure.

 

[killer b]

England were lucky to make it to penalties IMO, so the result reflects the actual game anyway.

While Italy were clearly in charge for the end of the first half and throughout the second, I was interested to see how much of their dominance rested on fouling England whenever they got into their half - there seems to have been a general acceptance of this as a strategy on the thread, but it's not something I've seen that much of in the tournament - seems a bit shit to me. Is this the kind of play we're to expect from our team as they get older and more cynical?

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

England were lucky to make it to penalties IMO, so the result reflects the actual game anyway.

While Italy were clearly in charge for the end of the first half and throughout the second, I was interested to see how much of their dominance rested on fouling England whenever they got into their half - there seems to have been a general acceptance of this as a strategy on the thread, but it's not something I've seen that much of in the tournament - seems a bit shit to me. Is this the kind of play we're to expect from our team as they get older and more cynical?

Well it's what you expect from Italy - not that other teams including England are averse to the odd tactical foul but Italy have always been the masters of that sort of thing.

 

[planetgeli]

England were lucky to make it to penalties IMO, so the result reflects the actual game anyway.

While Italy were clearly in charge for the end of the first half and throughout the second, I was interested to see how much of their dominance rested on fouling England whenever they got into their half - there seems to have been a general acceptance of this as a strategy on the thread, but it's not something I've seen that much of in the tournament - seems a bit shit to me. Is this the kind of play we're to expect from our team as they get older and more cynical?

It's part of the game and it's certainly part of the Italian defending DNA. Coached by a bloke who played in teams like that. And that's fine. We should have done more with the resultant free kicks.

 

[strung out]

Have to say, this did make me laugh

 

[littlebabyjesus]

England were lucky to make it to penalties IMO, so the result reflects the actual game anyway.

While Italy were clearly in charge for the end of the first half and throughout the second, I was interested to see how much of their dominance rested on fouling England whenever they got into their half - there seems to have been a general acceptance of this as a strategy on the thread, but it's not something I've seen that much of in the tournament - seems a bit shit to me. Is this the kind of play we're to expect from our team as they get older and more cynical?

The ref was lenient with the yellow cards, I think. One or two Italians could have been booked for persistent fouling, but weren't. In a way, though, I can't blame them for persisting with their fouling - they were probably expecting to get yellows, at which point they would have stopped, but they didn't so they didn't. Cynical? Very certainly. Also, has to be said, effective.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

England were lucky to make it to penalties IMO, so the result reflects the actual game anyway.

While Italy were clearly in charge for the end of the first half and throughout the second, I was interested to see how much of their dominance rested on fouling England whenever they got into their half - there seems to have been a general acceptance of this as a strategy on the thread, but it's not something I've seen that much of in the tournament - seems a bit shit to me. Is this the kind of play we're to expect from our team as they get older and more cynical?

All teams do it. Even the most expansive teams rely on 'tactical' fouls when they lose possession and are out of shape.