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England fans: the racism and the violence
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ska invita
back on the other side
as long as theres been a class war theres been a culture war
i think the only thing that marks out this current era of culture war as anything new is that the Tories, taking their lead from the far/alt/republican right, are making it a major plank of their electoral strategy
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hiraethified
The view from CNN:
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Why it seems like everyone hates the English abroad | CNN
Popular stereotypes suggest almost every English person channels their inner football hooligan while on vacation. Are they really that bad, or do people just love to hate the English?
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
I’ll concede racism is more prevelant in England, but the English drink and party less than Scotland or Wales? England is twenty times bigger than Wales, and ten times bigger than Scotland by population respectively. You don’t think that part of the problem is that we’re more instantly recognisable than either the Welsh or the Scottish on the account of our population size?
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hiraethified
Not at international football matches, no.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
can we return to sender?
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hiraethified
Callum Hudson-Odoi Set To Switch International Allegiance Under New FIFA Rules
Callum Hudson-Odoi has been capped three times by England but is poised to change national teams.
Interesting development...
littlebabyjesus
one of Maxwell's demons
Is racism more prevalent in England than in Scotland or Wales?
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
I've been abroad a number of times now and I don't think I ever acted like a hooligan. Fairly sure none of my friends or family have done so either.The view from CNN:
Why it seems like everyone hates the English abroad | CNN
Popular stereotypes suggest almost every English person channels their inner football hooligan while on vacation. Are they really that bad, or do people just love to hate the English?
ruffneck23
front left
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
I've also never had an FEB on a holiday abroad, always learned some basics of the host's language, spoken to locals when obvious it was ok to do so, etc. I even went to Amsterdam without visiting the red light district or a coffeeshop. Have I been doing it wrong all these years?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
He hasn’t made any announcement. He has been visiting Ghana quite regularly and says he wants to do more for the country . He has started to set up some youth projects and has met the President. He may well switch and racism may or may not be a reason but nothing official yet.Callum Hudson-Odoi Set To Switch International Allegiance Under New FIFA Rules
Callum Hudson-Odoi has been capped three times by England but is poised to change national teams.www.sportbible.com
Interesting development...
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Getting stats that compare the three regions is difficult, because Scotland pretty much has a separate legal system; that said, the numbers above, while not strictly comparative, clearly show Wales has less of a problem compared to the rest of the UK. Even if it’s half to a third the size of London.
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hiraethified
Yet you'll find plenty of racists in overwhelmingly white areas - like parts of Essex.
Canvey Island photos – sea wall murals, Concord Beach, a Dr Feelgood bench, sea views and racism -
On the weekend, I took a trip out to Canvey Island, a reclaimed island in the Thames estuary in the south-east of England. I was there to watch the mighty Dulwich Hamlet FC triumph over the local team. It rained for the entire match but happily the sun broke through after the final whistle, so I...
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Raheem
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I'm sure, but police statistics count only victims, not racists.Yet you'll find plenty of racists in overwhelmingly white areas - like parts of Essex.
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Canvey Island photos – sea wall murals, Concord Beach, a Dr Feelgood bench, sea views and racism -
On the weekend, I took a trip out to Canvey Island, a reclaimed island in the Thames estuary in the south-east of England. I was there to watch the mighty Dulwich Hamlet FC triumph over the local team. It rained for the entire match but happily the sun broke through after the final whistle, so I...
RedRedRose
Well-Known Member
Wales and the North East are fairly comparable in terms of demographics, but certain areas of England have recorded racially motivated crimes well above their respective ethnic minority makeup: the South East and Yorkshire, especially.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
Are you calling the filth or chanelling pengaleng?
andysays
Love and solidarity
I bet you can't point to a single case of Wales fans involved in racism or anything else during the current Euros though, which must prove something...
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Weren't Welsh black players subject to some online abuse after the friendly against Mexico before the Euros?
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
We had a similar one a while back that set out to show that English people behave worse on foreign holidays than Welsh people. That was utter dogshit as well if I remember correctly. Sadly a few posters had a mask slip and were revealed as inverted bigots with pompous Little Britain style views about working class people.
Monkeygrinder's Organ
Dodgy geezer swilling vapid lager
If I was a cynical person, I'd start to suspect the motives behind this stuff aren't really a pure concern for the victims of racism.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Could you expand on this useful point further Monkey? I ask because I’ve been thinking the same thing
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
and rather than fighting racism it just divides and encourages finger pointing , which tbf for some on here is what they think is what anti racism is all about.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Lolipop waivers for the 21st century. A smug, condescending, pitchfork wielding mob.
Saul Goodman
It's all good, man
But Wales is better at xenophobia, so it balances out.
mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
I don't believe in 'inverted' bigotry. Bigotry is just bigotry, isn't it. Whoever the bigot is and whoever their target. Under the equality act 2010, discrimination by association and discrimination by perception are both illegal, in the workplace at least if not in the street, or online. However 'class' is not a protected characteristic (interestingly).
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I demand EVIDENCE of this!
