During the biggest crisis of capitalism of our generation, why is the UK anarcho-left not growing?
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
i think you'll find the jura mountains are in france and switzerland.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Or quality printed Euro-grot.
Any way this is what I was on about
http://www.anarchisme2012.ch/
They'll be loads of anarchists there, at least enough to warrant a big tent and a PA system.
http://www.anarchisme2012.ch/
They'll be loads of anarchists there, at least enough to warrant a big tent and a PA system.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
good job you're not going, you'd have spunked all your money on a flight to arlanda airport
1%er
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Linking this with the other thread, they should ban and kill anyone who loads a song to youtube and puts the wrong fucking title
Johnny Canuck3
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If they purport to represent the left, then they should be the ones to tell us what it is that the anarchosyndicalists or whomever, are proposing in the face of the economic crisis.
Johnny Canuck3
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So when the bottom falls out of the real estate market in the US, what decisions should the newly-bankrupted homeowners be making?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
ones involving blood soaking the tree of liberty
Why do you hate democracy?
Lo Siento.
Second As Farce
Always does my head in when people cite the shitness of the left, either in terms of the timidity of centrists or the tactics of the ultras, as if an improvement in the message or even the instructions from on high would change anything.
You can have the best message in the world but if your audience didn't ask for it then, then you won't get anywhere. Anyone who has ever done any left-wing leafletting knows you get treated like chuggers by 90% of the population and the other 10% actively try to start a conversation with you.
If a resurgence happens it'll come off the back of organising that people are doing anyway, not earnest prompting from formally organized groups venerating long dead revolutions. Those groups being fucked is nothing but a symptom
You can have the best message in the world but if your audience didn't ask for it then, then you won't get anywhere. Anyone who has ever done any left-wing leafletting knows you get treated like chuggers by 90% of the population and the other 10% actively try to start a conversation with you.
If a resurgence happens it'll come off the back of organising that people are doing anyway, not earnest prompting from formally organized groups venerating long dead revolutions. Those groups being fucked is nothing but a symptom
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
we should regime change his ass...
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
it does my head in that people still rally against the right or centre or left like there are only 3 options... most people as a mixture of all points of the spectrum dependant on the topic at the time. sure they may have guiding principals but these are all to often kicked to the kerb once things impact them on a personal level.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It depends on the leaflet. There are some excellent leaflets produced that give information on employee and tenant rights, for example.
GarfieldLeChat
fucking awesome but wrong
not to mention the thicker, more commie ones can always be folded into a chelsea brick to batter a cop ...
don's flame proof suit...
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
Yes, which makes it even more important to help people organise at every day grass roots level.
TruXta
tired
Fair enough. I'd say that overall providing information is less useful than providing avenues for action, although the latter often involves the former of course.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
The better ones do both, for the sake of example "Stuff Your Boss".
TruXta
tired
Link?
Useful information is of course good for building action potential - but too often I see political leaflets bemoaning something or other and then the "call to action" is either "join our party/sect/FB group" or "donate here" and so on, which is frankly bollocks.
cesare
shady's dreams ♥
It's top of Google search.Link?
Random
Ethnic nalgocrat
I think what Delroy wrote is very interesting, about the way people suddenly get hungry after just a little little bit of success. The UK left/working class movement has had precious few successes, and the labour movement leadership are content to always cash in their chances for change in exchange for brownie points from the establishment.
And this also links to Edie's question about a lack of a clear alternative, and the sad but not surprising fact that no one's tried to answer her. It is the duty of serious anarcho/lefts to try to propose alternatives, all the time. Not in the sense of a total blueprint for a future society, but in the sense of having lots of suggestions about how a particular situation could be improved, in the here and now. In lots of cases that's a simple as stopping damaging proposals from a company or the government, but also has to involve basic ideas about more democracy, better conditions, more wealth and more time off. During the 1970-80s there were tonnes of pamphlets written on all sorts of alternative plans, weren't there? Workers' control schemes for various failing nationalised companies, housing proposals, etc.
There's little belief in an all-embracing political alternative to capitalism, but to answer LLETSA I think that's not such a big problem. The main problem is the anarcho/left/labour movement's inability to deliver, or even often to articulate, solutions for immediate everyday problems. And I think that rather than calling people Tories we should recognise that radical political change has often happened through people trying to gain security and stability and defend their lives, rather than formally being all in favour of "radical change" and burning down the current system.
And this also links to Edie's question about a lack of a clear alternative, and the sad but not surprising fact that no one's tried to answer her. It is the duty of serious anarcho/lefts to try to propose alternatives, all the time. Not in the sense of a total blueprint for a future society, but in the sense of having lots of suggestions about how a particular situation could be improved, in the here and now. In lots of cases that's a simple as stopping damaging proposals from a company or the government, but also has to involve basic ideas about more democracy, better conditions, more wealth and more time off. During the 1970-80s there were tonnes of pamphlets written on all sorts of alternative plans, weren't there? Workers' control schemes for various failing nationalised companies, housing proposals, etc.
There's little belief in an all-embracing political alternative to capitalism, but to answer LLETSA I think that's not such a big problem. The main problem is the anarcho/left/labour movement's inability to deliver, or even often to articulate, solutions for immediate everyday problems. And I think that rather than calling people Tories we should recognise that radical political change has often happened through people trying to gain security and stability and defend their lives, rather than formally being all in favour of "radical change" and burning down the current system.
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