Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Spymaster]

Pour the curried lentils in the sweet potatoes.

You mean put the sweet potatos into the curried lentils?

I reckon I could do a bit better with the spices, and you're missing garlic, but I'll certainly give it a go. Cheers.

I assume the steamed veg just goes on the side?

 

[8ball]

If you are arsed about these sort of things.... That hits B1. B2, B3, B5, B6, folate, vit a, vit c, half of vit e, vit k, calcium, copper, iron, magnesium, manganese, phosphorus, potassium, zinc, (amino acids - cystine, histidine, isoleucine, leucine, lysine, methionine, phenylalanine, threonine, tryptophan, tyrosine and valine). It's only 6.2 grams of fat. The omega 3-6 ratio is 1 : 3 (which is great). The fibre is 48g - way over the recommended...

Agree with you about the chilli and turmeric, but we're talking a pretty basic veggie curry. Though steaming the veg to preserve vitamin content is a nice touch.

I'm a little sceptical about whether it's "hitting" the methionine (it has more than zero, if that's what you mean).

Peanuts! (could put some nuts in there, or seeds - it seems possibly a bit low in fat).

Not that you need to get *every* nutrient in every meal, obviously.

 

[Watermelon Man]

You mean put the sweet potatos into the curried lentils?

I reckon I could do a bit better with the spices, and you're missing garlic, but I'll certainly give it a go. Cheers.

I assume the steamed veg just goes on the side?

No. I just pour the lentils in baked sweet potatoes.

Yeah basic as fuck.. but still tasty. No doubt you could make this a lot better.

Let me know of upgrades.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Agree with you about the chilli and turmeric, but we're talking a pretty basic veggie curry. Though steaming the veg to preserve vitamin content is a nice touch.

I'm a little sceptical about whether it's "hitting" the methionine (it has more than zero, if that's what you mean).

Peanuts! (could put some peanuts in there, or seeds - it seems possibly a bit low in fat)

I think it's just under 100%? Something like 95%... that's not bad with one meal.

It is low fat. I tend to get my fat from ground flaxseed, nuts, oats and avocados.

For sure...re your updated edit.

This is the meal I have if my diet/lifestyle has been a bit shit and I'm feeling a bit meh.. It works well as a get health back on track type of thing..

 

[8ball]

I think it's just under 100%? Something like 95%... that's not bad with one meal.

It is low fat. I tend to get my fat from ground flaxseed, nuts, oats and avocados.

You mean the methionine is 100%? I'm sceptical, but you did seem to be a bit down on protein earlier so maybe the protein target is very low (plus some people restrict methionine for various reasons).

I used to do something slightly similar and freeze for when I came home pissed. Losing some vitamins that your recipe preserves with the steaming, but still way healthier than a kebab.

 

[Watermelon Man]

You mean the methionine is 100%? I'm sceptical, but you did seem to be a bit down on protein earlier so maybe the protein target is very low (plus some people restrict methionine for various reasons).

I used to do something slightly similar and freeze for when I came home pissed. Losing some vitamins that your recipe preserves with the steaming, but still way healthier than a kebab.

Not down on protein but it's over played in my view. Mainly by the two industries I don't support. Fibre more important to me. Protein good but I think 7% of total calories is more than enough.

I'm probably more down on fats. Oil is a no no. Nuts, seeds in moderation. Same with avocados.

 

[8ball]

Not down on protein but it's over played in my view. Mainly by the two industries I don't support. Fibre more important to me. Protein good but I think 7% of total calories is more than enough.

I'm probably more down on fats. Oil is a no no. Nuts, seeds in moderation. Same with avocados.

That’s *really* low on the protein. I’m not sure most people would function well on that amount. It’s a shade over half of what is often quoted as a minimum if I have my maths right (I mean quoted by regular health organisations rather than the crazy amounts on things like bodybuilding websites).

Combine that with the low fat and I think I’d be very hungry a lot of the time.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Why? What moral obligation is it exactly, that makes killing another animal for food so essentially bad?

What makes it ok to kill another animal when we have no need to? Especially given all the negatives associated with doing so. If you're happy with that then good for you. I believe it to be very wrong and anyone that is speaking out against this sort of injustice gets my support.

What is our level of sentience? Do you mean once they've invented gods or something? Because gods aside, why does any species have a moral obligation not to kill other animals for any reason they see fit?

The level of sentience that can watch another creature having it's throat cut and bled to death and is repulsed by that and feels empathy. There are psychopaths who revel in that sort of carnage, however I believe that there are plenty of normally kind and compassionate people around who would not condone that savagery.

I get that your opinions are strong and that's fair enough but universalizing like that is in my opinion a sort of religious pomposity. BTW, FYI, it's that what gets people's backs up. Even people who agree with a lot of what you post.

More irrelevant nonsense, which appears to be your thing. It's funny how you idiots twist things around so that the death cultists who are ok with mass killing are somehow the innocent victims, and those who speak out against it are the militant villains. Totally arse about face. If my perfectly valid opinion that it is wrong to kill animals bothers you so much then feel free to either present your own "better" opinion in a civilised manner or to simply ignore me. I cba with all the whiny complaining about stupid side issues eg terminology. I'm also not overly concerned about people getting their "backs up", I'm not here trying to win a popularity contest. I will continue to post anything that I believe is of interest or relevant whether you like it or not, and if you don't, other posters and threads are available.

EtA, that quote code is right, so I reckon our @PabloSanchez just isn't keen on being quoted any more. Or tagged. Oh well.

Well you missed the one common denominator, it was only numpty posters that had the problem, nobody else had an issue. Just saying.

If I am going to be tagged or quoted, I'd rather that it was something of decent quality and intelligence as opposed to the rubbish you usually reply with, that would make a nice change.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Just that funny smell of activists pretending to be scientists, really. The kind you get from having seen similar before. I'm not saying its conclusive.

A look at their actual materials has a slicker, more corporate vibe than I'd expect, but goes a bit wrong by mixing the look of a private medical group's site with a woo-ey "SUPERCHARGE your gut bacteria with this ONE WEIRD TRICK!" style thing, among other tropes.

Then there are the links with PETA, which helps make sense of the above, to some degree.

So...as I suspected...nothing of any real substance behind your idle speculation and casting of negative aspersions. A cursory confirmation bias glance followed by dismissal, lazy journalist style.

I wasn't taking your word for anything - you never said. For all I know he could be an undistinguished psychiatrist with a gift for self-promotion who is declaring himself an authority on diabetes.

...and something a bit more in depth than perusing the wiki entry might help to establish how credible he is or isn't. (for those that can be bothered)

mojo pixy seemed to have the same issue. The common factor in both cases appears to be you.
Though it's stopped happening now.

Wow...some incredible detective work right thurr, put on a dirty raincoat and you could pass for a second rate Columbo.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Confirmation bias doesn't mean quite what you think it does, ps. That's not really an example of it.

 

[8ball]

So...as I suspected...nothing of any real substance behind your idle speculation and casting of negative aspersions. A cursory confirmation bias glance followed by dismissal, lazy journalist style.

If only you had the wit to grasp how funny and unintentionally educational that post was.

Or is it some kind of trap?

I’ll go for the first one.

 

[8ball]

Confirmation bias doesn't mean quite what you think it does, ps. That's not really an example of it.

Gently put, but isn’t it a bit late in the game to be expressing surprise at this sort of thing?

 

[Watermelon Man]

That’s *really* low on the protein. I’m not sure most people would function well on that amount. It’s a shade over half of what is often quoted as a minimum if I have my maths right (I mean quoted by regular health organisations rather than the crazy amounts on things like bodybuilding websites).

Combine that with the low fat and I think I’d be very hungry a lot of the time.

Ha ha. No. Not even close. I have anything up to 3000 calories and get ALL of my vitamins, minerals, etc. I believe that if you lack the vitamins/minerals then you get hungry and eat more. Not that bothered what health organisations say - I go by how I feel and results I've had over 3 years.

 

[NoXion]

That's what I don't understand about you pre vegans. Meat is meat right? Humans are meat. Dogs. Cats. Foxes. Rats. All meat... So why do you only eat certain animals?

Your nan and chicken taste the same.

Why do you eat certain dead animals and not others?

I haven't tried it myself, but I hear that human flesh actually tastes like pork.

 

[mojo pixy]

What makes it ok to kill another animal when we have no need to? Especially given all the negatives associated with doing so. If you're happy with that then good for you. I believe it to be very wrong and anyone that is speaking out against this sort of injustice gets my support.

Fair enough, no need to be a dick about it though is there?

The level of sentience that can watch another creature having it's throat cut and bled to death and is repulsed by that and feels empathy. There are psychopaths who revel in that sort of carnage, however I believe that there are plenty of normally kind and compassionate people around who would not condone that savagery.

You forgot the many millions who can probably watch an animal be slaughtered for food and feel nothing much except for a vague sense that it's kind of gross. They must be psychos, in your view. On the other hand, my lover has a shit every day and sometimes I even smell that, and it's gross. But I still kiss and hug them anyway.

tl;dr, life and death is pretty gross, who knew? Inter faeces et urinam nascimur.

More irrelevant nonsense, which appears to be your thing. It's funny how you idiots twist things around so that the death cultists who are ok with mass killing are somehow the innocent victims, and those who speak out against it are the militant villains. Totally arse about face. If my perfectly valid opinion that it is wrong to kill animals bothers you so much then feel free to either present your own "better" opinion in a civilised manner or to simply ignore me. I cba with all the whiny complaining about stupid side issues eg terminology. I'm also not overly concerned about people getting their "backs up", I'm not here trying to win a popularity contest. I will continue to post anything that I believe is of interest or relevant whether you like it or not, and if you don't, other posters and threads are available.

Blah, nice to have different opinions isn't it? Disapproval is optional. Keep at it if it makes you happy. It doesn't make you a better human.

Well you missed the one common denominator, it was only numpty posters that had the problem, nobody else had an issue. Just saying.

If I am going to be tagged or quoted, I'd rather that it was something of decent quality and intelligence as opposed to the rubbish you usually reply with, that would make a nice change.

So you've blocked tags (and quotes?) from people who challenge your bullshit. You don't block the posters who can't be arsed to, or the ones you feel you can handle. Understood.
EtA, I managed to quote @PabloSanchez .. tags not working though.

 

[Watermelon Man]

I haven't tried it myself, but I hear that human flesh actually tastes like pork.

There you go. Bacon. Sausages. Pigs in blankets. You could combine a funeral with a barbecue.

 

[8ball]

Ha ha. No. Not even close. I have anything up to 3000 calories and get ALL of my vitamins, minerals, etc. I believe that if you lack the vitamins/minerals then you get hungry and eat more. Not that bothered what health organisations say - I go by how I feel and results I've had over 3 years.

Fair enough, people differ on their requirements. I’m not sure about lack of vitamins and minerals actually making you hungry, but that’s a quibble.

I found loads of carbs was making me fat, but they weren’t as healthy as the stuff you’re probably eating, and the fibre is bound to help.

And with 7% cals from protein you’re not that far below the normal recommendation of 3,000 cals a day.

If it works for you, it works for you.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Fair enough, people differ on their requirements. I’m not sure about lack of vitamins and minerals actually making you hungry.

I found loads of carbs was making me fat, but they weren’t as healthy as the stuff you’re probably eating, and the fibre is bound to help.

And with 7% cals from protein you’re not far below the normal recommendation if 3,000 cals a day.

If it works for you, it works for you.

What do you mean by "carbs". Most people haven't a clue what they mean when referring to carbs. Not pointing the finger at you, but highly educated people tell me pork pies are carbs or cakes are carbs or biscuits etc. What are you referring to? What specific carb food made you fat?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I haven't tried it myself, but I hear that human flesh actually tastes like pork.

Not called long pig for nothing.

 

[NoXion]

There you go. Bacon. Sausages. Pigs in blankets. You could combine a funeral with a barbecue.

Ritual cannibalism has been a feature of human funerary rites in some cultures, but I think that lab-grown human tissue would provide a more reliable supply that's safer for the end consumer.

 

[8ball]

What do you mean by "carbs". Most people haven't a clue what they mean when referring to carbs. Not pointing the finger at you, but highly educated people tell me pork pies are carbs or cakes are carbs or biscuits etc. What are you referring to? What specific carb food made you fat?

Bread, pasta and rice were my nemeses. Comfort food.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Bread, pasta and rice were my nemeses. Comfort food.

What did you put on the bread, pasta and rice?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

What did you put on the bread, pasta and rice?

that's carbs man

 

[8ball]

What did you put on the bread, pasta and rice?

Oh, the usual stuff, really. Though sometimes stuff that was a bit over-processed (eg. those pasta sauces that you buy in the smallish serving sizes) plus the rice with curries and chilli and bread with almost everything ).

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

Lots of them and no exercise make you fat.

 

[8ball]

Lots of them and no exercise make you fat.

That was my experience, certainly.

And pizza, forgot pizza (variant of bread, I guess, but combining the carbs with plenty of fat too).

 

[Watermelon Man]

Oh, the usual stuff, really. Though sometimes stuff that was a bit over-processed (eg. those pasta sauces that you buy in the smallish serving sizes) plus the rice with curries and chilli and bread with almost everything ).

That's the thing with bread. As much as it is convenient and tastes great, it's heavily processed shite. Also, butter/marge/cheese/ham - fat heavy shit goes on bread.

Oily curries on rice.

Pasta with cheese??

I don't know, you aren't telling me much but I suspect that a lot of fat was going on the carbs.

Fat makes you fat.

The fat you eat is the fat you wear.

I love carbs and probably eat about double the amount than I used to in my pre vegan days. Mainly fruit and starchy stuff, not so much processed stuff mind. I'm leaner than I ever have been before but exercise a fair amount. I'm getting on now but I'm leaner than I have been in 20 years for sure. That's on a high carb low fat diet.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Lots of them and no exercise make you fat.

Yes of course. If you smash in 4000 calories of just rice and sit around and do fuck all, you'll get fat.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I'm no scientist but watching all 202 episodes of X files on bread vs watching it on eggs, well I would choose eggs.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

That was my experience, certainly.

And pizza, forgot pizza (variant of bread, I guess, but combining the carbs with plenty of fat too).

Yeah big pizza fan here, eating a whole co-op delicious one whilst pregnant puts you out of action for 24hrs. Facts.