Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[8ball]

Mate, it's just Heart attack Atkins diet re packaged. Fast track to heart disease and all sorts of other shit. Most low carbers have to have about 5 coffees a day just to get by. Fuck that lifestyle. Eat loads of carbs, have loads of energy and get lean as fuck whilst doing it.

I haven't worked out proportions by exact calorie contributions, but I've found what works best so far seems to be medium-ish carb, medium-ish fat and high protein (keeping a decent amount of lean muscle bulk works best for a health condition I have, and I definitely feel fuller for longer with a decent amount of protein).

By protein I don't mean "meat" (though I'm not veggie).

Cholesterol (LDL-C) is way lower than it was before, too. Having changed a few things, it's hard to tell what's mostly contributing to that.

 

[andysays]

Bollocks. I eat fat all the time, including saturated fats. I love cheese. I'm skinny as fuck.

Excess calories is what makes you fat, not the source of those calories. Saying "eating fat makes you fat" is as silly as saying "eating carbohydrates makes you carbohydrates".

Or eating "vegetables makes you a vegetable"...

 

[Watermelon Man]

I haven't worked out proportions by exact calorie contributions, but I've found what works best so far seems to be medium-ish carb, medium-ish fat and high protein (keeping a decent amount of lean muscle bulk works best for a health condition I have, and I definitely feel fuller for longer with a decent amount of protein).

Cholesterol (LDL-C) is way lower than it was before, too. Having changed a few things, it's hard to tell what's mostly contributing to that.

Mate, it could be loads of things. Stress, sleep, exercise all sorts of stuff. Of course diet is important - junk food or heavy processed shite like bread is going to change your stress levels.

 

[Watermelon Man]

I grow suspicious of your nutritionist qualifications.

Eggs - high in cholesterol & saturated fat. Yeah there are good things about them. One egg hits over 10% of each amino acid, fair bit of selenium in there, b12 20%.

They are classed as "not healthy" by the American government... Do the research if you want.

Fact is that supermarket eggs are murder. If you buy eggs, you support murder of those little cute chicks! I'd sooner stick with bread.

 

[8ball]

In terms of blood cholesterol, the dietary cholesterol in eggs is largely off the hook these days, and the picture re: saturated fat and heart health is looking a bit more complex than it once did.

As far as I know, anyway.

 

[SpookyFrank]

...nutritionist qualifications.

This is an oxymoron. In the UK a nutritionist is 'any cunt who calls himself a nutritionist' as there are no required qualifications and the title is not protected by the Health Professionals Council or any other legitimate professional association.

 

[SpookyFrank]

That ain't carbs tho...

Pizza - 52% fat.
33% carbs
15% protein.

Pizza is fat, not carbs...

This is pure hand-reared, artisan-baked, chef's special in a red wine and tarragon reduction right here.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Fair enough, no need to be a dick about it though is there?

Pot, meet kettle. If anybody's being the dick here, it's most definitely you.

You forgot the many millions who can probably watch an animal be slaughtered for food and feel nothing much except for a vague sense that it's kind of gross. They must be psychos, in your view.

Yeah, right...assuming that the "many millions" you've just invented actually exist and aren't yet another one of your bs "facts" that you frequently pull out of your arse.

On the other hand, my lover has a shit every day and sometimes I even smell that, and it's gross. But I still kiss and hug them anyway.

tl;dr, life and death is pretty gross, who knew? Inter faeces et urinam nascimur.

Hmm, so your partner taking a dump vs watching a pig get it's throat slit and dismembered. Yeah, exactly the same thing. I guess if it was 2 girls one cup style it might be a bit closer to some sort of "gross" parity.

Blah, nice to have different opinions isn't it? Disapproval is optional. Keep at it if it makes you happy. It doesn't make you a better human.

Once again you have an uncanny knack of making up complete strawman bullshit and then behaving as if it's the gospel truth. Your repeated implication that I somehow "believe I'm a better human" because I express a valid opinion is yet another example of fantasy level fabrication.

So you've blocked tags (and quotes?) from people who challenge your bullshit. You don't block the posters who can't be arsed to, or the ones you feel you can handle. Understood.
EtA, I managed to quote @PabloSanchez .. tags not working though.

Again, more fantasy bollocks. No I haven't blocked anything or anybody. It's true that sometimes I won't respond when a persistent idiot troll quotes me with unfriendly nonsense and I cba to reply, but that's about it. Next time I would suggest that you get your facts straight before making stupid assumptions.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

On the subject of low carbs, just happened to be listening to this in the car on Sunday while on the way to Streatham Tesco's with my daughter...

BBC Radio 4 - The Food Programme, Eat to Run, Part 3

tl;dr Medical scientist Professor Tim Noakes apparently one of the influential people behind the idea of "carb loading" for endurance athletes completely changed his tune after 3 decades and now is firmly in the low carb camp. Although I don't think I agree with him, it was nonetheless quite an interesting listen.

 

[mojo pixy]

Yeah, right...assuming that the "many millions" you've just invented actually exist and aren't yet another one of your bs "facts" that you frequently pull out of your arse.

Same as the masses of people you seem believe would give up meat if only they knew where it came from *rattle of pearls being clutched*

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Same as the masses of people you seem believe would give up meat if only they knew where it came from *rattle of pearls being clutched*

Yet another made up bullshit strawman. That's not a claim that I have made, however now that you mention it, I think it would be worth putting to the test. Lets see how many of your alleged "millions" would accept witnessing the gore of animal slaughter and then feel good about tucking into a juicy steak.

No doubt there will be no empathy die hards who will be comfortable with that and even lick their lips, however my hunch is that there will be a significant number of compassionate folk who will be moved enough stop.

How about we make things easier by setting up a corrective conditioning program seeing as us westerners have gone a bit soft and squeamish and moved a bit too far away from our more primitive ancestry...

Spoiler

Set up some meat kindergartens where toddlers get used to ripping mice, rats, gerbils and hamsters to pieces. In infant schools they can then graduate to butchering bigger animals like guinea pigs, rabbits, ferrets. Secondary schools can slaughter cats, dogs, lambs and little ponies, so that by the time they're adult they'll be unfazed by blood and guts and fully carnage compliant. Sounds like a plan. If all of you meat sympathisers petition your local MP's perhaps we can get this through parliament in time for Brexit.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

'our more primitive ancestry'

This is the modern version of the colonialist mindset, isn't it? We know better. We will put an end to these savage practices.

 

[mojo pixy]

Yet another made up bullshit strawman.

That's virtually a triple tautology, well done

Sadly for some reason I'm unable to search your posts on this thread but I believe somewhere in that lot is the claim that meat is only as popular as it is because people don't really know how it's produced. I'm certain of it.

But, when I do this:



I get this:



...which is clearly false, so something is up. But no, I don't believe it is a straw man at all, in your case.

 

[8ball]

PauloSanchez, not Pablo.

 

[klang]

PauloSanchez, not Pablo.

Paolo.

 

[8ball]

Paolo.

at self

Closer, though.

 

[klang]

at self

Closer, though.

slowly but steadily we're inching towards the truth on this thread.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

...which is clearly false, so something is up. But no, I don't believe it is a straw man at all, in your case.

Indeed, something is definitely up. You appear to be a bit of a noob. Can't quote properly, can't search properly and can't substantiate any of your accusations. That's about the size of it.

This book might be of use to you :-

 

[Watermelon Man]

On the subject of low carbs, just happened to be listening to this in the car on Sunday while on the way to Streatham Tesco's with my daughter...

BBC Radio 4 - The Food Programme, Eat to Run, Part 3

tl;dr Medical scientist Professor Tim Noakes apparently one of the influential people behind the idea of "carb loading" for endurance athletes completely changed his tune after 3 decades and now is firmly in the low carb camp. Although I don't think I agree with him, it was nonetheless quite an interesting listen.

Noakes knows his stuff about running.

Doesn't have a clue about nutrition.

I'm not sure why he's changed his mind? ££££££££££ Why would you promote a diet that causes heart disease and ends/ruins people's lives? £££££££££££ It's a mystery why Noakes has changed his mind. ££££££££££££££

 

[Watermelon Man]

One general observation I've made on this thread.

Meat eaters = most angriest/stressed
Vegetarians = second most angriest/stressed
Vegans = most chilled out/intelligent

I suspect meatards and vegetarians have taken on the stress and suffering of the animal/animal juices that they consume. That's why they are so uptight.

It's clear the world needs more vegans.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Noakes knows his stuff about running.

Doesn't have a clue about nutrition.

I'm not sure why he's changed his mind? ££££££££££ Why would you promote a diet that causes heart disease and ends/ruins people's lives? £££££££££££ It's a mystery why Noakes has changed his mind. ££££££££££££££

You could be right maybe he did do it "fo the monays". He sounded sincere in the interview though, and I'll have to listen to it properly, but the gist I got was that he lost out quite a bit financially and professionally by changing his stance.

 

[Watermelon Man]

You could be right maybe he did do it "fo the monays". He sounded sincere in the interview though, and I'll have to listen to it properly, but the gist I got was that he lost out quite a bit financially and professionally by changing his stance.

Salesmen sound sincere. I like his work on running but he really hasn't a clue about nutrition. In his condition - diabetic - he really needs to go whole food plant based no oil.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

It's clear the world needs more vegans.

We will get there....

"I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land."

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Salesmen sound sincere. I like his work on running but he really hasn't a clue about nutrition. In his condition - diabetic - he really needs to go whole food plant based no oil.

He could indeed be a conman, but I'm going to assume that he's being honest and legit. I don't know anything about him except what I heard in that interview. He appears to be well "credentialled" but I'll have to look into his work a bit more. I haven't taken the time to look into their claims properly however there does seem to be a fair amount of paleo "noise" about the place, and I like to think that I am open minded enough to at least listen to what they have to say and not dismiss it out of hand automatically. My initial feeling is that the whole low-carb thing just sounds wrong, but I'm not an expert and it could be that I'm the one that's wrong.

 

[PaoloSanchez]

Here was a recent "Talks At Google" debate between a leading low carb advocate and Kip Anderson (of What The Health fame) and a plant based doctor...

 

[Watermelon Man]

We will get there....

"I've seen the Promised Land. I may not get there with you. But I want you to know tonight, that we, as a people, will get to the Promised Land."

There's kale for everyone in the Promised Land! Everyone.

In fact, reducing world hunger was the reason that tipped me right onto the vegan path.

 

[8ball]

Noakes knows his stuff about running.

Doesn't have a clue about nutrition.

I'm not sure why he's changed his mind? ££££££££££ Why would you promote a diet that causes heart disease and ends/ruins people's lives? £££££££££££ It's a mystery why Noakes has changed his mind. ££££££££££££££

This idea that anyone who disagrees with something you say or changes their mind from your point of view must have been paid off somehow doesn’t lend much credibility to your argument.

The idea of carb loading is falling out of fashion in various sporting circles based on research about how the body uses energy under various states of metabolic load.

Maybe still a good idea for some activities, but not for all of them.

On the subject of vegans being chilled out - once you’ve read more posts from the Dirty-Thraigo axis of over-caffeination I think you might re-assess things.

So far, to be fair, you’re the second vegan poster with a significant numbet of posts to buck the trend.

 

[Watermelon Man]

This idea that anyone who disagrees with something you say or changes their mind from your point of view must have been paid off somehow doesn’t lend much credibility to your argument.

The idea of carb loading is falling out of fashion in various sporting circles based on research about how the body uses energy under various states of metabolic load.

Maybe still a good idea for some activities, but not for all of them.

On the subject of vegans being chilled out - once you’ve read more posts from the Dirty-Thraigo axis of over-caffeination I think you might re-assess things.

So far, to be fair, you’re the second vegan poster with a significant numbet of posts to buck the trend.

Shit, am I after credibility to my argument? That's a game changer. I'm only on here to have fun and chat to people online. I'm trying to think of any sport where energy isn't that important... darts maybe? It's difficult.

 

[mojo pixy]

PauloSanchez, not Pablo.

Paolo.

All

Apologies, sorry about that.
I'll try a search later...

 

[8ball]

Shit, am I after credibility to my argument? That's a game changer. I'm only on here to have fun and chat to people online. I'm trying to think of any sport where energy isn't that important... darts maybe? It's difficult.

It’s not that energy isn’t important - just that for a lot of sports, especially involving endurance, the human body likes to rely on largely burning fat (there is almost always a mixture of fat and carbs being burned).