Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Opera Buffa]

I think I'm a morally better version of myself for being vegan. The attendant fear and suffering in slaughterhouses is unbearable to me now.

But none of my friends and family are vegan and I don't think I morally better than them. I know that they are ignorant or uncaring about the harm they do.

So I don't do it to look down on other people, I don't look down on other people, but I need to do it to be comfortable with myself.

 

[8ball]

I think I'm a morally better version of myself for being vegan. The attendant fear and suffering in slaughterhouses is unbearable to me now.

Ignorant or uncaring, as opposed to having a different worldview that leads them to honestly disagree?

 

[VeganMight]

I think I'm a morally better version of myself for being vegan. The attendant fear and suffering in slaughterhouses is unbearable to me now.

But none of my friends and family are vegan and I don't think I morally better than them. I know that they are ignorant or uncaring about the harm they do.

So I don't do it to look down on other people, I don't look down on other people, but I need to do it to be comfortable with myself.

You should look down on them - They're participating in wholly unnecessary slaughter.

 

[VeganMight]

Ignorant or uncaring, as opposed to having a different worldview that leads them to honestly disagree?

It doesn't matter about "worldview" or "agreement" or any cosy nonsense like that - What matters is whether or not you choose to participate in what amounts to a wholesale holocaust of sentient living creatures.

 

[8ball]

You should look down on them - They're participating in wholly unnecessary slaughter.

This is where it starts to look like your apparent interest in the welfare of animals is a proxy for a narcissistic quest for a sense of personal purity and virtue.

 

[8ball]

It doesn't matter about "worldview" or "agreement" or any cosy nonsense like that - What matters is whether or not you choose to participate in what amounts to a wholesale holocaust of sentient living creatures.

The word "holocaust" is where the surface is shown as scratched here.

 

[VeganMight]

This is where it starts to look like your apparent interest in the welfare of animals is a proxy for a narcissistic quest for a sense of personal purity and virtue.

So not participating in a holocaust of animals is "narcissistic"? Please.

 

[VeganMight]

The word "holocaust" is where the surface is shown as scratched here.

A few million people died in the WW2 holocaust - A few million animals die every day to satisfy the appetites of gluttons - I make no apology for comparing the two. In fact, the animal holocaust is, objectively, worse.

 

[Spymaster]

... there are issues here that need to be resolved.

Absolutely. Kidnapping, torture, slavery, and murder, for starters ...

 

[VeganMight]

Absolutely. Kidnapping, torture, slavery, and murder, for starters.

What are you talking about? Unless you're talking about the forcible imprisonment of animals for your consumption? But I doubt you have that much awareness, looking at your previous posts on this thread.

 

[8ball]

A few million people died in the WW2 holocaust - A few million animals die every day to satisfy the appetites of gluttons - I make no apology for comparing the two. In fact, the animal holocaust is, objectively, worse.

Gluttons? It's very easy to be a vegan glutton.
The religious terms that bubble to the surface are interesting.

 

[Spymaster]

Unless you're talking about the forcible imprisonment of animals for your consumption?

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

 

[8ball]

What are you talking about? Unless you're talking about the forcible imprisonment of animals for your consumption? But I doubt you have that much awareness, looking at your previous posts on this thread.

I kind of doubt you've read more than a small selection.

 

[VeganMight]

Gluttons? It's very easy to be a vegan glutton.
The religious terms that bubble to the surface are interesting.

Why are they "interesting"? People stuff themselves with the remains of other living creatures? And you find that "interesting"? Are you a psychopath? (Redundant question because you won't know if you are one).

 

[VeganMight]

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

And how do you feel about that?

 

[Spymaster]

It's complicated

 

[8ball]

Why are they "interesting"? People stuff themselves with the remains of other living creatures? And you find that "interesting"? Are you a psychopath? (Redundant question because you won't know if you are one).

Some psychopaths have more than an inkling.
If you think the majority of people are psychopaths, the issue may lie with you.

What is interesting to me is the overlaps that some vegan phrasings of arguments have with fundamentalist religious movements.

I should point out that this is not universal. I've had quite a few productive exchanges with vegans on this thread. Including with the ones who sometimes come out with things that look quite barking.

 

[VeganMight]

We're not talking about the "in a relationship?" question on Facebook, we're talking about your participation in the deliberate slaughter of defenceless animals.

That was Spymaster btw in response to "it's complicated".

 

[8ball]

That was Spymaster btw in response to "it's complicated".

I got that.
It was neatly formulated.

 

[xenon]

So, another 30 pages by the weekend then.

 

[8ball]

So, another 30 pages by the weekend then.

15

 

[xenon]

They stuff themselves. Not you know, just eat, like a normal human. These are morally inferior gluttons, stuffing their faces with the products of a daily holocaust.

 

[VeganMight]

Some psychopaths have more than an inkling.
If you think the majority of people are psychopaths, the issue may lie with you.

What is interesting to me is the overlaps that some vegan phrasings of arguments have with fundamentalist religious movements.

I should point out that this is not universal. I've had quite a few productive exchanges with vegans on this thread. Including with the ones who sometimes come out with things that look quite barking.

I don't think the majority of people are psychopaths, I believe the majority of people are idiots led to participate in the carnist holocaust by psychopaths who are blinded by their commitment to their own greed to the obscenity of the "industry" that they are in - One day people will look at the animal holocaust in much the same way they view the idea of children being forced into prostitution today.

 

[xenon]

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[xenon]

15

Yeah, probably closer. The morning crew might have a go though.

 

[VeganMight]

They stuff themselves. Not you know, just eat, like a normal human. These are morally inferior gluttons, stuffing their faces with the products of a daily holocaust.

It's not normal to eat the flesh of another.

 

[xenon]

It's not normal to eat the flesh of another.

I don't think you know what normal means. Note, I'm not saying vegans are abnormal but claiming meat eating isn't normal... You think it's perverse. But it's clearly normal. A normative practise in much of the world since forever.

 

[VeganMight]

Don't try to confuse the issue with your "scientific" terms - It's obscene to eat the flesh of another - In future years, it'll be looked upon in much the same way as cannibalism is now.

 

[Spymaster]

One day people will look at the animal holocaust in much the same way they view the idea of children being forced into prostitution today.

Quite reasonably, imo.

 

[8ball]

I don't think the majority of people are psychopaths, I believe the majority of people are idiots led to participate in the carnist holocaust by psychopaths who are blinded by their commitment to their own greed to the obscenity of the "industry" that they are in - One day people will look at the animal holocaust in much the same way they view the idea of children being forced into prostitution today.

The claims on the glorious future predicated on your inevitable victory is also something that has turned up a few times on this thread.
It's very much infused with Christian tropes. Do you see the enlightenment coming within your own lifetime?