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Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

littlebabyjesus said:
None of those comparisons you've chosen is a) accurate or b) comparable.
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My comparisons were as to what was considered morally right or at best 'not that big of a deal' by a contemporary population. It is an accurate, comparable assessment, you're just too thick-necked to acknowledge it. But your great-grandchildren will, and they'll agree with me, and be terribly embarrassed about your old-fashioned attitudes.

Your opinions will mean nothing more than my racist grandfathers'.
 
PaoloSanchez said:
I don't agree that vegans are necessarily better people, however I do believe that not killing animals unnecessarily IS a morally superior stance when compared to killing animals unnecessarily.

Some of the more sensitive members get their heckles raised at such a perfectly logical and reasonable suggestion, but that's just too fucking bad. I also agree that there is a bit too much pandering to meat eaters feelings. Apparently even using the word "carnist" is some kind of deadly ninja slur and deeply offensive.

Cows getting double penetrated and forcefully impregnated apparently can't be associated with the word rape, even though rape is an accurate word to describe what happens. Perhaps we should just use the phrase "the cows get well and truly fucked" instead of "raped" to appease the mainly white middle class meat eating males who get offended on behalf of women.

Cattle being imprisoned before they are prematurely slaughtered also apparently cannot in any way be associated with slavery. This is an affront to black people and the same mainly white middle class males objecting (oh behalf of black people...white saviour syndrome) to the the use of the word rape would also be deeply offended by "slave", even though, once again, it accurately describes what happens to the poor animals.

Similarly (as in your post) holocaust is an accurate word to describe what happens to the billions of animals slaughtered every year to feed us. (and no it doesn't demean or diminish what happened in WW2).

There is a common theme of watering down and obfuscating reality which is what enables the death cultists to get away with murder. ( ...and be prepared to face the meat eating wrath if you ever have the gall to use the word murder to describe the global mass slaughter of animals)
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They are death cultists and murderes & I won't let ideas of public "decency" silence me from saying what I know to be true.
 
VeganMight said:
Keep telling yourself that. As I'm sure, the concentration camp guards told themselves - Which side do you want to be on?
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Regardless of my sympathy with some of your arguments, those with absolute confidence in their virtue and their condemnation of the “other” are exactly those whose side I don’t want to be on.
 
8ball said:
Regardless of my sympathy with some of your arguments, those with absolute confidence in their virtue and their condemnation of the “other” are exactly those whose side I don’t want to be on.
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We don't want equivocators. Your morality may wobble - Like your spine.
 
Opera Buffa said:
He means it isn't right. Public morality and what is normative is constantly changing - 200 years ago all the men on this thread would have considered it morally right and normative to beat or rape their wives.

If we're white British, we would have considered ourselves morally superior to black people or the Irish.

Popular morality changes, the norm changes, and conservatives don't want to let go of their old, incorrect views.

Veganism will be huge in 200 years time. But it will take that long for popular perceptions to turn around.
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Of course norms change. Your mad and inaccurate analogy aside. But meat is eat across societies, across a diverse range of peoples . For that to change wholesale, you would need to see drastic and not necessarily good changes.
 
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xenon said:
Of course norms change. You’re mad and inaccurate analogy aside. But mea is eat across societies, across a diverse range of peoples . For that to change wholesale, you would need to see drastic and not necessarily good changes.
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You idiot, murder was practiced across societies until very recently - In some places it still is. Shall we go back to that? Roll about in our own, self created filth?
 
xenon said:
Of course norms change. You’re mad and inaccurate analogy aside. But mea is eat across societies, across a diverse range of peoples . For that to change wholesale, you would need to see drastic and not necessarily good changes.
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Any change that reduces "meat" consumption is, by definition, a good change.
 
PaoloSanchez said:
Well I stop short of calling the majority of the meat eating public murderers directly because they'll start crying, and I also think there is a fair amount of ignorance which allows enables the slaughter to continue which means that many of them won't see themselves as murderers, even though it is their choice that creates the demand for murdered animals.
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Your choice but I will call them murderers precisely because they'll start crying - Confront them with the atrocities they commit. If they don't see themselves as murderers, they need to have it impressed upon them in the strongest terms that they are murderers.
 
8ball said:
Counter argument to what?

You never came up with anything resembling an argument. A casual observer might think you were employed by KFC’s marketing department.
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There is no argument - Only the truth - That carnists are murderers - That carnist parents who feed their children products of the carnist industry are child abusers. No "argument" or "debate" just unpalatable truth. But sick, diseased carnists will be used to swallowing unpalatable truths with the same ease as they swallow their breakfast bacon.
 
Spymaster said:
You've got me on the fence. A few more holocaust equivalences might ... just ... get me over ...
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You disgusting, arrogant man - As though it matters whether you come over to the cause or not - An idiot like you, we'd be better off without. I only can hope you don't have children.
 
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