Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[Watermelon Man]

I'm no scientist but watching all 202 episodes of X files on bread vs watching it on eggs, well I would choose eggs.

I'd take bread over eggs for sure. Eggs = fast lane to heart disease. Bread = middle lane to serious stomach problems. Both shite to be fair but supermarket eggs = murder.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Yeah big pizza fan here, eating a whole co-op delicious one whilst pregnant puts you out of action for 24hrs. Facts.

That ain't carbs tho...

Pizza - 52% fat.
33% carbs
15% protein.

Pizza is fat, not carbs...

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I'd take bread over eggs for sure. Eggs = fast lane to heart disease. Bread = middle lane to serious stomach problems. Both shite to be fair but supermarket eggs = murder.

Are you Morrisey? What's your take on immigration?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

That ain't carbs tho...

Pizza - 52% fat.
33% carbs
15% protein.

Pizza is fat, not carbs...

Pretty sure it's fat and carbs, professor

 

[NoXion]

Fat makes you fat.

The fat you eat is the fat you wear.

Bollocks. I eat fat all the time, including saturated fats. I love cheese. I'm skinny as fuck.

Excess calories is what makes you fat, not the source of those calories. Saying "eating fat makes you fat" is as silly as saying "eating carbohydrates makes you carbohydrates".

 

[8ball]

That's the thing with bread. As much as it is convenient and tastes great, it's heavily processed shite. Also, butter/marge/cheese/ham - fat heavy shit goes on bread.

Oily curries on rice.

Pasta with cheese??

I don't know, you aren't telling me much but I suspect that a lot of fat was going on the carbs.

Fat makes you fat.

The fat you eat is the fat you wear.

I love carbs and probably eat about double the amount than I used to in my pre vegan days. Mainly fruit and starchy stuff, not so much processed stuff mind. I'm leaner than I ever have been before but exercise a fair amount. I'm getting on now but I'm leaner than I have been in 20 years for sure. That's on a high carb low fat diet.

Yep, carbs do tend to go with fat, but the major calorie overage was coming from the carbs.
Booze wasn't helping much either (cals on its own, then makes me crave the carbs - hence a curry similar to yours being one of my defenses ready in the fridge for coming home and getting the munchies).

Exercise was a problem at the time due to an illness which was getting me down and also nudging me toward the comfort food, and the booze, then more comfort food.

I'm not anti-carb but the fast-digesting kind in large amounts isn't a good fit for me. I try to make more of them the kind you're eating. I also disagree with people who have a problem with fruit because there is sugar in it.

I still probably eat too much bread.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Yep, carbs do tend to go with fat, but the major calorie overage was coming from the carbs.
Booze wasn't helping much too (cals on its own, then makes me crave the carbs - hence a curry similar to yours being one of my defenses ready in the fridge for coming home and getting the munchies).

Exercise was a problem at the time due to an illness which was getting me down and also nudging me toward the comfort food, and the booze, then more comfort food.

I'm not anti-carb but the fast-digesting kind in large amounts isn't a good fit for me. I try to make more of them the kind you're eating. I also disagree with people who have a problem with fruit because there is sugar in it.

I still probably eat too much bread.

I disagree with this. Let's say you had two slices of bread with butter.

That works out to be

55% fat
35% carbs
10% protein

That's not carbs. That's fat.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Pretty sure it's fat and carbs, professor

It's mostly fat..

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

This conversation is weeeeeird

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

The EVERYTHING IS FAT evangelism is a new one for me though, so I have learned something.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Yep, carbs do tend to go with fat, but the major calorie overage was coming from the carbs.
Booze wasn't helping much either (cals on its own, then makes me crave the carbs - hence a curry similar to yours being one of my defenses ready in the fridge for coming home and getting the munchies).

Exercise was a problem at the time due to an illness which was getting me down and also nudging me toward the comfort food, and the booze, then more comfort food.

I'm not anti-carb but the fast-digesting kind in large amounts isn't a good fit for me. I try to make more of them the kind you're eating. I also disagree with people who have a problem with fruit because there is sugar in it.

I still probably eat too much bread.

Fruit is the best. Low carbers are absolutely clueless, tired, easily fooled bellends that are damaging their health. Seriously, I had a mate that went low carb, he lost shit loads of weight but you'd go down the pub and he'd be there with his gin or whatever, moaning about everything, going home before everyone else because he was so fucked from low energy. Who wants to be around someone like that, zero energy? Fuck knows what his insides looked like.

 

[8ball]

I disagree with this. Let's say you had two slices of bread with butter.

That works out to be

55% fat
35% carbs
10% protein

That's not carbs. That's fat.

I know, and I'm aware of a pro-carb stance as well as the valid point that a lot of carbs come with fat and the energy density difference often means the bulk of calories comes from the fat. But I worked it all out at the time. Fact is, there was too much fat too, but I was *really* heavy on the carbs, and where there was a choice of a lot of fat and almost no carb vs. the reverse, I'd consistently go for the reverse.

 

[Watermelon Man]

The EVERYTHING IS FAT evangelism is a new one for me though, so I have learners something.

No. Two slices of bread with butter is predominantly fat as in 55% of calories come from fat! I am not saying it's 100% fat, I'm saying it's predominantly fat. Most people say ooooh bread made me fat, not realising that what they were consuming was predominantly fat as in over 50% of the calories..

it's pretty simple. Maybe the fat has clogged up your arteries and blood supply to your brain....

 

[NoXion]

It probably wouldn't kill low-carbers to have a slice of wholemeal bread once in a while, or have some porridge for breakfast.

 

[Watermelon Man]

I know, and I'm aware of a pro-carb stance as well as the valid point that a lot of carbs come with fat and the energy density difference often means the bulk of calories comes from the fat. But I worked it all out at the time. Fact is, there was too much fat too, but I was *really* heavy on the carbs, and where there was a choice of a lot of fat and almost no carb vs. the reverse, I'd consistently go for the reverse.

Maybe you need to write it all down, what you eat etc. I used to do that, but it's a bit of a pain in the arse to be fair. If you were ill though, it might help your health. I think you are right tho, processed carbs make me feel a bit shit too. Pasta makes me feel a bit sluggish.

 

[8ball]

Fruit is the best. Low carbers are absolutely clueless, tired, easily fooled bellends that are damaging their health. Seriously, I had a mate that went low carb, he lost shit loads of weight but you'd go down the pub and he'd be there with his gin or whatever, moaning about everything, going home before everyone else because he was so fucked from low energy. Who wants to be around someone like that, zero energy? Fuck knows what his insides looked like.

The carbs you're talking about have a very different effect compared to say, something like white bread, which metabolically isn't so far off just eating white sugar. Feeling crap on that kind of stuff and then cutting fruit and veg to avoid carbs is very misguided. Taking a very broad-brush approach on macro-nutrients can be a bit of a trap generally.

Re: your mate, people who lose loads of weight also often have bugger all energy just due to their calories being too low.

 

[8ball]

Maybe you need to write it all down, what you eat etc. I used to do that, but it's a bit of a pain in the arse to be fair. If you were ill though, it might help your health. I think you are right tho, processed carbs make me feel a bit shit too. Pasta makes me feel a bit sluggish.

I did for quite a while. Got slightly obsessive for a bit.
You do need reasonable data to track things, because it's really easy to fool yourself if you rely on memory.

 

[Watermelon Man]

It probably wouldn't kill low-carbers to have a slice of wholemeal bread once in a while, or have some porridge for breakfast.

Oats are fucking great. 70% carbs. 15% fat. 15% protein. Fair bit of selenium, iron and zinc in there too. 4 tablespoons of sugar on it and you are set for the morning.

 

[editor]

The EVERYTHING IS FAT evangelism is a new one for me though, so I have learned something.

Here's what it is:

A large slice of bread will offer a similar number of calories whether it’s made from refined white flour or whole grain flour, but the other nutrient components can be quite different. According to the USDA, a 38 g slice of white toast has 110 calories, 3.5 g protein, 1.5 g fat, 20.5 g carbohydrates, 1 g fiber and 1.8 g sugar. The same sized slice of whole wheat toast has 115 calories, 6 g protein, 1.5 g fat, 19.5 g carbohydrates, 3.5 g fiber and 2 g sugar. An equivalent slice of multigrain toast, which typically contains a variety of whole grains, has 110 calories, 5.5 g protein, 1.75 g fat, 18 g carbohydrates, 3 g fiber and 2.5 g sugar. A tablespoon of salted butter adds 100 calories and 11.5 g fat to a slice of toast.

Nutritional Value of Buttered Toast

I love bread, me. And toast. And sandwiches.

 

[8ball]

I love bread, me. And toast. And sandwiches.

Me too.
A bit too much (a lot too much).

I try to make sure it's the stuff with seeds and that in these days - at least get some better nutrition in with it.

 

[NoXion]

Oats are fucking great. 70% carbs. 15% fat. 15% protein. Fair bit of selenium, iron and zinc in there too. 4 tables spoons of sugar on it and you are set for the morning.

I think that what makes oats great is not necessarily their carb content, but rather how quickly those carbs end up hitting the blood stream. I doubt that eating a bunch of white bread slices has the same effects.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Here's what it is:



I love bread, me. And toast. And sandwiches.

Get on coconut oil on toast. Tastes fucking great, but maybe not so good for the heart.

 

[editor]

Me too.
A bit too much (a lot too much).

I try to make sure it's the stuff with seeds and that in these days - at least get some better nutrition in with it.

I chuffing all sorts of bread. I did a quick check to see how I'm doing:





BMI healthy weight calculator - Health tools - NHS Choices

 

[editor]

Get on coconut oil on toast. Tastes fucking great, but maybe not so good for the heart.

More than happy with butter/marg taverymuch.

 

[Watermelon Man]

I did for quite a while. Got slightly obsessive for a bit.
You do need reasonable data to track things, because it's really easy to fool yourself if you rely on memory.

Totally agree with you there. I did it for a week and felt like I was developing some strange illness. It is good to kind of know where your deficiencies are. Mine seems to be vitamin E... think that's almonds, avocados? Avocado on toast works as well!

 

[8ball]

I chuffing all sorts of bread. I did a quick check to see how I'm doing:

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BMI healthy weight calculator - Health tools - NHS Choices

That's good going.

BMI 26.5 today for me.
Was over 30 before I got cracking sorting it out.

 

[8ball]

Totally agree with you there. I did it for a week and felt like I was developing some strange illness. It is good to kind of know where your deficiencies are. Mine seems to be vitamin E... think that's almonds, avocados? Avocado on toast works as well!

Avocado on toast with marmite is my replacement comfort food.
The saltiness with the fat from the avocado... mmm.

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

I tend to put stuff like tahini on my toast now but I love cheese. Think my medication is the main cause of my weight gain though. Boo

 

[Watermelon Man]

The carbs you're talking about have a very different effect compared to say, something like white bread, which metabolically isn't so far off just eating white sugar. Feeling crap on that kind of stuff and then cutting fruit and veg to avoid carbs is very misguided. Taking a very broad-brush approach on macro-nutrients can be a bit of a trap generally.

Re: your mate, people who lose loads of weight also often have bugger all energy just due to their calories being too low.

Mate, it's just Heart attack Atkins diet re packaged. Fast track to heart disease and all sorts of other shit. Most low carbers have to have about 5 coffees a day just to get by. Fuck that lifestyle. Eat loads of carbs, have loads of energy and get lean as fuck whilst doing it.

 

[prunus]

I'd take bread over eggs for sure. Eggs = fast lane to heart disease. Bread = middle lane to serious stomach problems. Both shite to be fair but supermarket eggs = murder.

I grow suspicious of your nutritionist qualifications.