Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[littlebabyjesus]

It's a problem for you?

No, it's a problem for your little aphorism.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Some people who love each other put arms in bot bot.
By the way are you 6?
Anyway, people do love animals ... cooked in a variety of ways (boom boom)
But so what? You don't have to, I don't have to, but if people want to then literally, so what? It's up to them. Disapproval is pointless really.

It is up to them of course. You are happy to eat dead animals and consume dairy. There is a victim (the animal) so your morals can be questioned.

We get it, you are a cunt that cares not one jot. Well done.

I don't know why you are so against people pointing out you are morally wrong?

 

[mojo pixy]

the clueless brainwashed.

 

[Watermelon Man]

The misanthropy is never far from the surface, is it?

That and the inherent sense of superiority.

Superiority?

You eat dead animals and drink animal fluids you also cry arse when someone points out that your actions have a victim.

I can undersand why that gives you an inferiority complex.

Can you work it out?

 

[mojo pixy]

I don't know why you are so against people pointing out you are morally wrong?

Nobody has done that, and if they did it would be no more than an opinion.

Pointing out [others'] moral wrongness is an interesting way to put it though. Glad you enjoy that. That's why you do it by the way, not because you're necessarily right or because it needs to be done. You enjoy it. There are loads of pretexts for it, well done for finding one that suits your chosen lifestyle. What more can anyone say?

EtA, might as well edit this in.

We get it, you are a cunt that cares not one jot. Well done.

When you point a finger, three fingers point back at you. Trisha says that so it must be true

 

[Watermelon Man]

Nobody has done that, and if they did it would be no more than an opinion.

Pointing out [others'] moral wrongness is an interesting way to put it though. Glad you enjoy that. That's why you do it by the way, not because you're necessarily right or because it needs to be done. You enjoy it. There are loads of pretexts for it, well done for finding one that suits your chosen lifestyle. What more can anyone say?

You know taking a life is wrong don't you?

You know putting your fist in a cow's rectum whilst they are tied up and impregnating them for financial gain is wrong don't you?

You know slavery is wrong don't you?

You know kidnapp is wrong?

I get why you are defensive. I get the anger.
I get that you feel like you have been conned by the big industries.

It's natural response.

 

[mojo pixy]

I get why you are defensive. I get the anger.
I get that you feel like you have been conned by the big industries.

It's natural response.

lol you think you're talking about me?
Good luck with that.

 

[Watermelon Man]

lol you think you're talking about me?
Good luck with that.

I get the jovial denial too.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

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[mojo pixy]

I get the jovial denial too.

You don't get anything, you're just lashing out randomly. It's making you look petty.

 

[Watermelon Man]

You don't get anything, you're just lashing out randomly. It's making you look petty.

Playing the victim now?

There is a saying you are what you eat.

You eat victims...

 

[mojo pixy]

That's the thing, I actually don't. Still you're obviously having fun so keep at it.

 

[Spymaster]

You know taking a life is wrong don't you?

You know putting your fist in a cow's rectum whilst they are tied up and impregnating them for financial gain is wrong don't you?

You know slavery is wrong don't you?

You know kidnapp is wrong?

I get why you are defensive. I get the anger.
I get that you feel like you have been conned by the big industries.

It's natural response.

 

[Spymaster]

This one's great!

They're a lot like conspiranoids.

 

[Spymaster]

You know taking a life is wrong don't you?

Why is it?

 

[ddraig]

paolo Sanchez has been very explicit - in his opinion, veganism is a sign of a more advanced state of civilisation. tbf he hasn't couched that in caveats - he clearly considers himself to be more advanced than those who are not vegan.

tbh if you genuinely believe in the Morrissey Doctrine, that's really the only consistent position to take. Of course you are morally superior to murderers. It's this kind of absolutism that leads Morrissey into some of his more unpleasant misanthropic and racist ramblings.

Problem comes when you're confronted with people who have the same access to information as you have, who agree with you about the nature of being of other animals, but who haven't adopted veganism as a result of that agreement. Either they are monsters or they're in denial. A fog of incomprehension descends at this point.

let's suggest veganism and racism are somehow linked/an extension of an attitude/outlook
classy and desperate

 

[littlebabyjesus]

let's suggest veganism and racism are somehow linked/an extension of an attitude/outlook
classy and desperate

In the specific case of Morrissey, I'm sure that it is linked - his racist outburst against the Chinese was specifically meat-eating-based. In very few other people, I would hope, but misanthropy of the kind Watermelon Man is currently exhibiting is perhaps more common a result of such absolutism.

 

[ddraig]

In the specific case of Morrissey, I'm sure that it is linked - his racist outburst against the Chinese was specifically meat-eating-based. In very few other people, I would hope, but misanthropy of the kind Watermelon Man is currently exhibiting is perhaps more common a result of such absolutism.

pathetic, really pathetic even for you

 

[Spymaster]

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I will apologise for giving the impression you took. I didn't intend it that way. But unpleasant misanthropy and adherence to the idea that meat is murder do often go together. It's not so hard to see why. They have set themselves against most other people.

Do you actually adhere to 'meat is murder'? Surely not.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Someone who takes a fish out of the sea and eats it is a murderer if they didn't have to do that to survive? (And, by extension, those that do it on behalf of others. Who are we attacking here? Oh yeah, everyone.)

Morrissey Doctrine, so 'fish you so fancifully fry' is in there under the murder count. Doing that thing that you fancy, you evil murderer, when you didn't need to.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

'Everyone grows out of their Morrissey phase except Morrissey' (Sean Hughes).

Morrissey would no doubt stand by his words if he were here.

As Watermelon Man shows (and Morrissey shows as well, of course), it isn't a grown-up position. It leads you to think that everyone else must be really, really stupid.

 

[8ball]

Well tbh, I don't know what the basis of your initial scepticism was because you didn't say, it was a bit vague and appeared to be based solely on a cursory glance. If you have anything a bit more substantial to base your scepticism on, it would be interesting to hear what it is.

Just that funny smell of activists pretending to be scientists, really. The kind you get from having seen similar before. I'm not saying its conclusive.

A look at their actual materials has a slicker, more corporate vibe than I'd expect, but goes a bit wrong by mixing the look of a private medical group's site with a woo-ey "SUPERCHARGE your gut bacteria with this ONE WEIRD TRICK!" style thing, among other tropes.

Then there are the links with PETA, which helps make sense of the above, to some degree.

Again, if you're interested, you can do the legwork and check up on his credentials for yourself and not just take my word for it.

I wasn't taking your word for anything - you never said. For all I know he could be an undistinguished psychiatrist with a gift for self-promotion who is declaring himself an authority on diabetes.

Well I've managed to do it ok so not sure what your problem was.

mojo pixy seemed to have the same issue. The common factor in both cases appears to be you.
Though it's stopped happening now.

 

[8ball]

Nobody has a problem with vegans per se. It's judgemental cunts who insist on moralising and telling us that meat is murder (clearly massive bollocks) and that our lifestyle is wrong/immoral/incorrect/whatever. That just happens to be most vegans.

I thought we'd agreed on not over-extrapolating from small samples.

 

[8ball]

This one's great!

They're a lot like conspiranoids.

Fundamentalist groups all share certain habits.
The thread keeps returning to this theme.

#NotAllVegans

 

[Mr. Jelly]

I suppose its a little too easy to be glib about eating that decontextualized slab of protein. You don't really have to do the deed, see it scared shitless before you take it down. All that stuff is hidden, such is the modern world.

I dont think its 'murder' btw, but it has a great propensity for cruelty.

 

[8ball]

I suppose its a little too easy to be glib about eating that decontextualized slab of protein. You don't really have to do the deed, see it scared shitless before you take it down. All that stuff is hidden, such is the modern world.

Hard to say how things would be by now if such things had never been hidden away.
There would certainly be a lot less meat about than there is currently, because it couldn't be produced on such a scale.

Then again, capitalism was the big driver for factory farming and the world would be hugely different without that...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Hard to say how things would be by now if such things had never been hidden away.
There would certainly be a lot less meat about than there is currently, because it couldn't be produced on such a scale.

Then again, capitalism was the big driver for factory farming and the world would be hugely different without that...

Before industrialised farming and in places that still don't have it, where people have direct everyday experience of the meat-producing process, there isn't a surge of revulsion towards killing for meat. Rather the reverse, I would suggest: hiding the process away has a dual effect - both protecting people from certain truths about killing and making people more easily upset by the idea of those truths about killing.

 

[8ball]

Before industrialised farming and in places that still don't have it, where people have direct everyday experience of the meat-producing process, there isn't a surge of revulsion towards killing for meat. Rather the reverse, I would suggest: hiding the process away has a dual effect - both protecting people from certain truths about killing and making people more easily upset by the idea of those truths about killing.

Well, yes, we can't really discuss the socialisation aspects of "carnism" meaningfully if we pretend the default tabula rasa is an early life totally alienated from the means of food production, accompanied by a cast of singing Disney animals.

 

[Mr. Jelly]

Hard to say how things would be by now if such things had never been hidden away.
There would certainly be a lot less meat about than there is currently, because it couldn't be produced on such a scale.

Then again, capitalism was the big driver for factory farming and the world would be hugely different without that...

I think humans by their very nature over empathise , and have always find the killing of animals at some level problematic, otherwise we wouldn't have all the ritual we see around slaughter, or indeed the psychic toll on slaughterhouse workers. The modern consumer doesn't have to worry about this, the trauma is taken on elsewhere. I don't see the end of capitalism meaning the end of industrialised production of food, but given wages would disappear what would be the motive to spend all day killing animals?