Do angry vegans turn you against going vegan?

[littlebabyjesus]

Oh god are we back to this 'sensitivities' nonsense? I reckon I could represent your position pretty well, ddraig. I don't think you would have a hope of representing mine - you very clearly don't understand it. I've killed chickens, then plucked, gutted, cooked and eaten them. I don't have the problem with this part of the meat-production process that you think I must have, and neither do many meat-eaters. We're not all the fragile creatures you seem to think we must be.

 

[ddraig]

Oh god are we back to this 'sensitivities' nonsense? I reckon I could represent your position pretty well, ddraig. I don't think you would have a hope of representing mine - you very clearly don't understand it. I've killed chickens, then plucked, gutted, cooked and eaten them. I don't have the problem with this part of the meat-production process that you think I must have, and neither do many meat-eaters. We're not all the fragile creatures you seem to think we must be.

you reckon/think a lot yeah, you think you know the arguments and values of others and wax lyrical on here trying to find common ground to make you feel better
I don't care about your squirming and your "position" or what you do or don't have a problem with until you start telling me i'm wrong
so carry on, stick to your position and keep finding long winded arguments you think back you up and justify the need to kill animals for your plate, we're never going to agree

 

[Spymaster]

who here has told you your lifestyle is wrong/immoral/incorrect/whatever?

It's been intimated by just about everyone, you included. Anyone talking about morality from a vegan perspective is de facto taking the moral high ground over meat eaters. Obviously.

vegans may think that eating animals and their products is but if you don't why do you care?

We don't care about what you eat, ffs. It's the other way roound. Haven't you read this thread or the dozens of others on the subject?

meat is murder, animals that once alive were killed/murdered to make meat, that's how I and others see it

Then you are fucking idiots. You are simply and demonstrably wrong about this. You don't even really believe it yourselves (unless you really are total morons). It's just a wanky, clichéd catch phrase some hippy started using and you lot have picked up without thinking what you're saying.

 

[ddraig]

It's been intimated by just about everyone, you included. Anyone talking about morality from a vegan perspective is de facto taking the moral high ground over meat eaters. Obviously.

We don't care about what you eat, ffs. It's the other way roound. Haven't you read this thread or the dozens of others on the subject?

Then you are fucking idiots. You are simply and demonstrably wrong about this. You don't even really believe it yourselves (unless you really are total morons). It's just a wanky, clichéd catch phrase some hippy started using and you lot have picked up without thinking what you're saying.

more projection and anger and abuse
"intimated" so no one has told you then, just intimated (in your opinion), glad that's cleared up
and they say the vegans are angry

 

[Spymaster]

"intimated" so no one has told you then, just intimated, glad that's cleared up

It isn't. But let's clear it up straight away now then shall we?

Do you think that your being a vegan makes you morally superior to someone who eats meat?

 

[Spymaster]

It's a simple enough question ddraig

 

[ddraig]

It's a simple enough question ddraig

i was just about to hit reply on my response before carrying on with real life stuff, why do you think you can demand answers on a bulletin board at your convenience and in 8 minutes?
arrogance and bullishness

 

[Spymaster]

i was just about to hit reply on my response before carrying on with real life stuff, why do you think you can demand answers on a bulletin board at your convenience and in 8 minutes?
arrogance and bullishness

Because you are here for my entertainment, as you well know.

Now answer the question.

 

[Spymaster]

Silence is golden, golden

 

[ddraig]

Because you are here for my entertainment, as you well know.

Now answer the question.

arrogance and bullishness confirmed
fuck you I won't do as you tell me, grow up eh

 

[twentythreedom]

This thread

 

[Spymaster]

fuck you I won't do as you tell me ...

Of course you won't. You can't.

Did you stamp your little feet as you posted that?

 

[mojo pixy]

The answer is yes, a huge number of vegetarians and especially vegans do think they're morally superior to meat eaters. A huge number of vegans believe they're morally superior to dairy and egg veggies.

All the denials in the world from defensive numpties doesn't change this opinion based on lived experience and masses of exchanges on this matter with different levels of veggies.**

((Yeah OK you're different, the exception that proves the rule as it were. It's the others who act all superior, not you))

As for me, I think I'm morally superior to myself in the past, because I don't preach about vegetarianism any more

** EtA, more often than not, as we see, a simple denial is not even forthcoming anyway.

 

[Spymaster]

The answer is yes, a huge number of vegetarians and especially vegans do think they're morally superior to meat eaters. A huge number if vegans believe they're morally superior to dairy and egg veggies.

Of course they fucking do. They've said as much on these boards.

 

[ddraig]

who needs people to answer questions put to them when the answers are already set by those asking the questions!
"intimated", "said as much"
the desparation

 

[mojo pixy]

I can almost hear lurking vegans sighing in exasperation, But we are morally superior to meat eaters, why can't you seeeeeeeee it??

 

[Spymaster]

who needs people to answer questions put to them when the answers are already set by those asking the questions!

Fucking hell.

 

[Spymaster]

I can almost hear lurking vegans sighing in exasperation, But we are morally superior to meat eaters, why can't you seeeeeeeee it??

Whilst Thriago's had well over an hour to think something clever up, failed, so comes back with some bollocks!

 

[mojo pixy]

We've had moral obligation too; I wonder what intellectual gymnastics need to take place to maintain this moral obligation exists but still claim those who don't meet it are not inherently less moral than those who do. I know @PabloSanchez doesn't speak for all vegans but he evidently wishes he did, and I certainly have heard that moral obligation type shtick many times.

Can't really have it both ways.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

paolo Sanchez has been very explicit - in his opinion, veganism is a sign of a more advanced state of civilisation. tbf he hasn't couched that in caveats - he clearly considers himself to be more advanced than those who are not vegan.

tbh if you genuinely believe in the Morrissey Doctrine, that's really the only consistent position to take. Of course you are morally superior to murderers. It's this kind of absolutism that leads Morrissey into some of his more unpleasant misanthropic and racist ramblings.

Problem comes when you're confronted with people who have the same access to information as you have, who agree with you about the nature of being of other animals, but who haven't adopted veganism as a result of that agreement. Either they are monsters or they're in denial. A fog of incomprehension descends at this point.

 

[bogbrush]

I have eaten cat, but you can't call it 'murder' as it was dead when I found it. It was a half grown kitten that had been killed by a prowling tom cat that got into the house and killed it. It was more like duck than rabbit.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Jeez. Is this still going?


Eat death and feel like death.
Eat or drink suffering, suffer.

Those animals don't want to die.
The mama cows don't want their babies snatched from them.
The baby cows don't want to be separated from their mamas..

Love the animals.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Eat death and feel like death.
Eat or drink suffering, suffer..

Deep, man.

See here's the problem. I know full well that my steak has come from the body of a cow that has been killed so that I could eat it.

And it makes me feel just fine.

What a monster I must be.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Deep, man.

See here's the problem. I know full well that my steak has come from the body of a cow that has been killed so that I could eat it.

And it makes me feel just fine.

What a monster I must be.

It's a problem for you?

 

[mojo pixy]

Love the animals.

Please define love, it's such a dense word with so many possibilities about it...

FYI nothing and nobody wants to die.

Spoiler

Everything and everybody dies.

 

[Spymaster]

Deep, man.

See here's the problem. I know full well that my steak has come from the body of a cow that has been killed so that I could eat it.

And it makes me feel just fine.

What a monster I must be.

Liar. You feel guilty about it.

Your denial of it is a manifestation of your carnist fragility.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Please define love, it's such a dense word with so many possibilities about it...

FYI nothing and nobody wants to die.

Spoiler

Everything and everybody dies.

Well you know, like love as in not murdering them, not enslaving them, not putting arms in their bot bot to make them preggers to make more $$$$ from the clueless brainwashed.

It's not that hard to do. Try it. You may like it.

 

[Watermelon Man]

Liar. You feel guilty about it.

Your denial of it is a manifestation of your carnist fragility.

They already said it was a problem.

 

[mojo pixy]

Well you know, like love as in not murdering them, not enslaving them, not putting arms in their bot bot.

Some people who love each other put arms in bot bot.
By the way are you 6?
Anyway, people do love animals ... cooked in a variety of ways (boom boom)
But so what? You don't have to, I don't have to, but if people want to then literally, so what? It's up to them. Disapproval is pointless really.

EtA, except the warm glowy feels that justified disapproval gives, obvs

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Well you know, like love as in not murdering them, not enslaving them, not putting arms in their bot bot to make them preggers to make more $$$$ from the clueless brainwashed.

The misanthropy is never far from the surface, is it?

That and the inherent sense of superiority.