LDC
On est tous des pangolins
They'll get detail as someone you almost certainly know will have told them where they had close contact with you, for how long, what type, and then passed your name and contact details on to T&T.
Contact Tracing: Will You Self Isolate? (and related discussion)
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They'll get detail as someone you almost certainly know will have told them where they had close contact with you, for how long, what type, and then passed your name and contact details on to T&T.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Relevant to the discussion
www.theguardian.com
Coronavirus in England: half of those with symptoms not isolating
Scientists say failure to follow advice raises questions over test-and-trace policy
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
Is that part actually true? What's to stop everyone just naming Boris and putting him into permanent isolation?
Buddy Bradley
Pantheistic solipsist
That's not 15 minutes prolonged contact though, is it. Our delivery drivers are already back in their van by the time we answer the door.
existentialist
Tired and unemotional
FWIW, I think what you are seeing is the squandered goodwill that Johnston et all have all-too-successfully spaffed up the wall.
For my part - I pre-empted the Government lockdown, and I haven't really exploited the (Welsh) lockdown restrictions to any extent, so I reckon the problem just isn't going to arise. But if I was advised that I'd been in contact with someone infected, I would almost certainly err on the side of self-isolating, at least until I could get a test and confirm exposure.
However, I feel that - again - what has happened is that government is expecting individuals to pick up the slack their own chaotic policies have resulted in, and I can see situations where people are expected to "voluntarily" self-isolate with no provision made for their wellbeing or financial state. I can work from home; if someone can't, I can well understand why they might dismiss the warning.
Yes, its certain. As certain as anything can be with this sort of thing.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
This is why I'm sceptical that people will comply in the long term. It's all very well saying of course we would now but what about next year when there's loads at stake? You're not going to get paid and maybe lose your job to boot etc. What if you're due to go on holiday and a few days before you get the phone call? I'd lay a decent sized bet that half the people who've voted "yes" above would have second thoughts if they'd had no symptoms whatsoever, someone on the phone is telling them to isolate and they're just about to lose a few grand's worth of holiday. I certainly would.
andysays
Love and solidarity
This is the strange part of this whole thing.
The government has forked out huge amounts of money in furlough payments and other support for (mostly) employers, yet there is apparently no provision made to support people who have been IDed as being a specific risk of spreading the virus further, but who in many cases will be financially unable to quarantine themselves for two weeks.
In those circumstances there will inevitably be significant numbers who won't follow the instruction to self isolate.
(personally, I'd jump at the chance. I've been working as normal the past few months, and would love a couple of weeks at home with my feet up on full pay, which I'd be lucky enough to get if I was IDed)
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
As you say they are throwing money at the wealthy (with furloughing and also other things) and not at real people so it doesn't seem all that strange to me. About the only part that I can see that is of general benefit is that universal credit is now easier to get, and I bet that won't last long.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yeah, "strange" was the wrong word.
I should have said "self defeating if all too bloody predictable"
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Tens of thousands are losing their lives over this so I'm willing to risk being over cautious if need be.
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
Good for you. Tell that to the single mum who's had no symptoms, won't be able to feed the kids if she takes 2 weeks off and might lose her job.
chilango
Hypothetical Wanker
Yeah.
I get it.
But the pressure needs to be on the government and employers to back this up with the cash to allow people to take the 14 days.
...but OTOH I've no sympathy for the sort of mouthy fuckers refusing to self-isolate cos they'll lose money when they can afford to.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Have you read about how it works? That's not close contact.
ska invita
back on the other side
Where I live in South London two bars have been open this week, illegally, for outside drinking. Fair few people squashed at small standing tables. Lockdown is over and from what I can see plenty of people no longer give a shit. They took all the necessary cues from government. Track and trace is doomed imo.
andysays
Love and solidarity
A decent place to start with that might be someone asking Sunak at today's press conference whether there are plans to do that, pointing out that the thing will be less effective if such measures aren't taken, and that it's likely to be a relatively small amount of money compared to the large scale funding of employers through furloughs etc.
But I'm not holding my breath...
ETA Sunak, not Hancock
Spymaster
Plastic Paddy
I took a run though the park an hour ago and it was absolutely packed. Loads of large groups having picnics and drinks.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Then we'll get thousands more deaths.
ska invita
back on the other side
Yup. And this is allowed, but even if it's okay in principle all the signals from government are basically do what you want... Rather than a gradual careful easing out of lockdown it all looks shattered to me. The press have played their Happy Monday part. I might be getting carried away here, but I think they've rushed this to "move on" from CumGate.
Track and trace is going to flop I expect
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Yep, it's all over. I've just got back form Asda and everything - literally everything - that could possibly be conceived as relevant to a party or BBQ was stripped bare, booze included. They'd even sold out of paddling pools ffs. The entire country is seemingly about to have a massive party. We are fucked.
ska invita
back on the other side
Like those behaviourists said, the government have sabotaged it. Track and trace needs compliance...
www.theguardian.com
Second wave over summer and then a third in winter?
What a fuck up
Covid-19 spreading too fast to lift lockdown in England – Sage advisers
Scientist says 8,000 daily coronavirus infections makes relaxing restrictions too risky
Second wave over summer and then a third in winter?
What a fuck up
Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Great post, says pretty much how I feel about it all.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Parks won't do much. Tbh even open air bars won't do much. What will really hit is schools, commuting and offices/workplaces, just like every other respiratory virus that spreads by close contact in restricted airflow for an extended period, and hits harder when it's then distributed across the whole of the damn city when people go home.
bimble
floofy
This is really bad news. That’s people with coughs and fevers.Relevant to the discussion
Coronavirus in England: half of those with symptoms not isolating
Scientists say failure to follow advice raises questions over test-and-trace policy
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Did you read the thread? This isn't anything to do with the app.
Poot
My wife thinks I work too hard
Yes. And I will self isolate if I get the call, as will my family. Because I'm lucky enough that I won't be hit financially. But if we're talking about the longer term here, and it sounds like you are, with the massive number of children in my kids' inner city Victorian primary school social distancing will not be an option when they all go back. So that's, what, 800 children, say someone's mum gets it, does the school get sent home each time? They will all have touched the same surfaces and there are only so many loos, even if they're not all in the same (tiny) classroom. I mean, I'm assuming that all the kids will go back to school eventually, but I don't know. My contacts list is nowhere near the size of that. It just feels a bit like pissing in the wind (which is something we definitely shouldn't be doing but I wouldn't put it past an 11 year old).
Thora
Differently Ethical
Only children who have had face to face contact with the mum will be isolating.
Thora
Differently Ethical
As I understand how it will work in schools and early years settings is - if a child or teacher has symptoms, they are sent home for 7 days and can go and get tested. If the test results come back positive then the adults & children in their class/group then all have to isolate for 14 days. If negative then they can come back.
If a parent has symptoms then their child isolates for 14 days unless the parent is tested and is negative.
If a parent has symptoms then their child isolates for 14 days unless the parent is tested and is negative.
