Conspiraloon 9/11- 7/7 Truther outed as Holocaust denier

[butchersapron]

He was prosecuted for incitement based on holocaust denial writings in The Rune - based heavily on that same pseudonmynous trash (turned out to be from a fellow NF member - NG was in the BNP by that point though, plotting his takeover).

 

[Bakunin]

He's still on the Socialist Review website:
http://www.socialistreview.org.uk/article.php?articlenumber=8871

Now they wouldn't rewrite history, would they?

'Former SWP members and associates.... You do not exist, you never existed.'

'If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever...'

 

[butchersapron]

Hang on, it's only a letter isn't it?

 

[Bakunin]

Hang on, it's only a letter isn't it?

I've got one of those in an issue of SR from January 2003 (I think).

I was defending direct action.

Christ, how naive and green was I then?

 

[ymu]

for the record, i don't think nick griffin ever published that piece of trash. i can't be bothered to google it, but if my memory serves me correctly it was published by some nut called something like Richard Verrenals in the 1970s.

ETA; actually, i might be getting it mixed up with another similar waste of paper called 'the six million reconsidered' . sure someone with more time on their hands, who isn't sitting in an open office can correct me if so.

Right first time - Richard Verrals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Did_Six_Million_Really_Die?

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Nah, he's elsewhere with 'vaccinations are bad for your kids health' stuff in Trashypony's thread about giving trashcolt MMR.

Which no doubt he'll do a runner from as soon as he's asked to backup his bullshit

 

[frogwoman]

ok, so it wasn't that one then. wasn't griffin in jail for publishing a similar holocaust denial pamphlet though?

 

[butchersapron]

ok, so it wasn't that one then. wasn't griffin in jail for publishing a similar holocaust denial pamphlet though?

Never went to jail, got 9 months suspended in 98 for the stuff in The Rune.

 

[chico enrico]

He was prosecuted for incitement based on holocaust denial writings in The Rune - based heavily on that same pseudonmynous trash (turned out to be from a fellow NF member - NG was in the BNP by that point though, plotting his takeover).

i thought The Rune was John cato's C18 paper?

that said, they never seem to come up with the most imaginative of titles for their mags so probably just choose one option from the revolving name-pool of 'the rune', 'the oak', 'awake', 'new dawn' or whatever other crap is in vogue this decade.

 

[butchersapron]

i thought The Rune was John cato's C18 paper?

that said, they never seem to come up with the most imaginative of titles for their mags so probably just choose one option from the revolving name-pool of 'the rune', 'the oak', 'awake', 'new dawn' or whatever other crap is in vogue this decade.

Yep, these norsemen are a bit unoriginal. This Rune was Paul Ballard's (in C18's oribt) then NG started using it to assemble his takeover team - oddly enought by peddling all the crap he's now trying to get rid of.

 

[frogwoman]

How did they get there so quick though?

Even with Red Cross passage - papers all neatly prepared thanks to the Vatican - I'm convinced it was via submarine.

In which case Nazi sympathising Peronists with the aid of the US must have been involved, as by then the Atlantic was pretty much completely dominated by Allied naval forces.
No VIIC submarine fleets could have realistically travelled non-stop, undetected, from the normal Nazi bases - Kristiansand, St Nazaire, or even alleged secret sites in Spain and Portugal, without either being given safe passage, or being blown up.

Wow, I'm a conspiranoid!

Given the collusion with ideological decendants of the vile Palvelic and his mates, and the fact that in one CIA assisted coup in South America one of the generals who took power published a book saying the holocaust didn't exist shortly after he got in, i would say thats not a far fetched theory at all. And the fact that the party that entered power in Ukraine in 2004, backed up by the US, was heavily linked to UNA-UNSO, a neo-Nazi organisation blamed for several attacks on Jews and Russians.

And then of course theres the fact that the USA, before it was attacked, seriously considered entering WWII on Germany's side.

Its not far fetched at all.

 

[Wilf]

Hang on, it's only a letter isn't it?

True, but let me have my moment of fun. More interesting, potentially, is that he claimed to have been a Respect member (but that's another thread).

Clearly, the guy isn't a far righter in any neat or obvious sense. However he seems to have a weird mix of green, anti-war and holocaust revisionist views - all within a weird new age shell. Certainly not the first, but its an odd mix nevertheless.

 

[frogwoman]

i thought The Rune was John cato's C18 paper?

that said, they never seem to come up with the most imaginative of titles for their mags so probably just choose one option from the revolving name-pool of 'the rune', 'the oak', 'awake', 'new dawn' or whatever other crap is in vogue this decade.

yeah they always have a bit of an obsession with old norse mythology, dont they.

despite the fact that before christianity came along, jews who found their way into europe, and pagans both lived together quite happily.

 

[frogwoman]

http://trans-int.blogspot.com/2005/01/seeing-una-unso-with-update.html

Some very interesting stuff there (from 2005)

 

[chico enrico]

yeah they always have a bit of an obsession with old norse mythology, dont they.
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indeed they do. but one suspects it would take more than the chill north winds to temper quite what they find so appealing about the norse iconography that decorates their magazine covers.

big bearded men with broadswords held aloft - really, it's more Tom of Finland than Der Sturmer

 

[frogwoman]

http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=318

 

[frogwoman]

indeed they do. but one suspects it would take more than the chill north winds to temper quite what they find so appealing about the norse iconography that decorates their magazine covers.

big bearded men with broadswords held aloft - really, it's more Tom of Finland than Der Sturmer

Although some of the stuff in Der Sturmer and its modern day equivalents about Jewish doctors raping Aryan women and black men with huge penises is pretty grotesquely pornographic as it is ...

 

[Belushi]

indeed they do. but one suspects it would take more than the chill north winds to temper quite what they find so appealing about the norse iconography that decorates their magazine covers.

big bearded men with broadswords held aloft - really, it's more Tom of Finland than Der Sturmer

I like it when one of them dies and you get all those 'We'll meet again in Valhalla my white brother!' posts

 

[Belushi]

Although some of the stuff in Der Sturmer and its modern day equivalents about Jewish doctors raping Aryan women and black men with huge penises is pretty grotesquely pornographic as it is ...

I dont think you can properly understand fascism without taking account of the weird sexual undercurrents.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I wish you'd stop insinuating that I'm in some way defending his ramblings because I'm not.

I've insinuated nothing, I've implied nothing.

You know what they say about an unquiet conscience, don't you?

See? THAT is an insinuation.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yep - 'anti-semitic' isn't a completely accurate term for Jew-hating but it's pretty much universally accepted as shorthand for such and I've never seen an utterance like "I'm not anti-semitic, Semites include..." not followed up with something about the evils of the Jews.

That's why, for the last several years, I've used "Judaeophobia" instead. It leaves Jew-haters far less room to manouvre.

 

[Y_I_Otter]

That's why, for the last several years, I've used "Judaeophobia" instead. It leaves Jew-haters far less room to manouvre.

Then you get, "I ain't afraid of no Jews!"

I take your meaning, but you can't win with the willfully stupid.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Then you get, "I ain't afraid of no Jews!"

I take your meaning, but you can't win with the willfully stupid.

It'd be a hollow victory anyway, to be fair.

 

[KeyboardJockey]

True, but let me have my moment of fun. More interesting, potentially, is that he claimed to have been a Respect member (but that's another thread).
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Hmmmm will look out for that one.

 

[frogwoman]

I like it when one of them dies and you get all those 'We'll meet again in Valhalla my white brother!' posts

I know pmsl.

 

[frogwoman]

I dont think you can properly understand fascism without taking account of the weird sexual undercurrents.

And the extreme misogynism. I once read a several page thread on VNN saying about how white women were the enemy of the white race

 

[KeyboardJockey]

I dont think you can properly understand fascism without taking account of the weird sexual undercurrents.

Can I bring Max Mosely up here

 

[Bakunin]

Can I bring Max Mosely up here

ACHTUNG!

EINS! ZWEI! DREI! VIER! FUNF! SECHS!

UH! UH! UH! OOOOOOOOOOOOGGGGGGHHHH!

And he's spent.

 

[frogwoman]

http:// www.(takethisbitout)una-unso.org (link broken because it's a fash site)


http://www.takethisbitout.unaunso.org/index.php?lang=eng is a better link.

This is the neo-Nazi organisation linked to Yuschenko's "our ukraine" party which gained power in 2004, backed up by the USA.

theyre just fighting against the establishment ...

 

[frogwoman]

as for all that lost gold...

...There is also some very, very dodgy stuff involving the Catholic Church and the German nazis and others including the Ustasha, during and after the war. The vatican has literally millions stashed away from the Nazi era. The church leadership has never fully owned up to its role in world war 2-

To their credit a lot of Catholic priests and nuns did their best to oppose the regime in Germany and were subjected to appalling "show trials" for supposed sexual and financial misconduct.

It was a Catholic bishop who managed to get the T4 programme stopped in 1939, and the Catholic church were the only real alternative political force apart from the Nazis in Germany. The Nazis could never entirely "control" the church, although they wanted to.

Unfortunatley a lot of the time they didnt even have to because so many people in the catholic church's hierarchy were in favour of nazism and were perfectly willing to collaborate with Hitler