Conspiraloon 9/11- 7/7 Truther outed as Holocaust denier

[cesare]

Ah right, I didn't know it was a satire because the only people who've quoted it at me were conspiracy theorists...

It's worth a read, though I haven't looked at it for a few years now (lent it to my dad and haven't retrieved it). I was more interested in the source material and finding out more about that e.g. gnosticism, rosicrucians etc.

But yeah, some people take it on face value, and the ones that do set the old alarm bells ringing bigtime.

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

the proposition that: no German ever put a Jew into a gas chamber... I’m proud to be associated with it

So, what exactly are your views on this man Jazzz?



e2a - Not verified, hmmmm, what chance is there that it's someone stirring things up a bit?

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I remember when Hugo Gryn confronted David Irving (or is it Irvine...can't say I give the man much thought) when he said the holocaust was a myth. Hugo Gryn wiped the floor with him...wish I could find the transcript...it was on Radio 4.

 

[butchersapron]

I remember when Hugo Gryn confronted David Irving (or is it Irvine...can't say I give the man much thought) when he said the holocaust was a myth. Hugo Gryn wiped the floor with him...wish I could find the transcript...it was on Radio 4.

Oddly enough David Irving is one of the truth-seekers this bloke has recommended, Zundel being another. Here's YOUR truth-seekers jazzz.

 

[cesare]

I remember when Hugo Gryn confronted David Irving (or is it Irvine...can't say I give the man much thought) when he said the holocaust was a myth. Hugo Gryn wiped the floor with him...wish I could find the transcript...it was on Radio 4.

Irving with a g. Another 'academic'

Tbh, it's not the all out 'outings' and the like that bother me (though they're enlightening to some extent) - from my POV it's almost as if the big 'outings' are there for people to dive in on.

It's the quiet insidious stuff that bothers me.

 

[butchersapron]

Irving with a g. Another 'academic'

Tbh, it's not the all out 'outings' and the like that bother me (though they're enlightening to some extent) - from my POV it's almost as if the big 'outings' are there for people to dive in on.

It's the quiet insidious stuff that bothers me.

I've heard from a lot people who should know that Irving is/was the best archivist historian there is. He's just a racist goon as well.

 

[Blagsta]

robert anton wilson and bob shea in the illuminati trilogy

They got it from Burroughs.

 

[Blagsta]

It never fails to amaze me when conspiratwats quote it at you as a "source" for their bonkers bullshit

Half the shit Jazzz comes out with is straight from those books!

 

[Blagsta]

Yeah, that's right I think.

Darios wrote a lengthy eulogy on the Robert Anton Wilson just died thread.

Not surprising, Anton Wilson was a right wing libertarian like Darios.

 

[Mrs Magpie]

I still can't find any reference or transcript...I think it was on 'The Moral Maze' when it was good, ie when Hugo Gryn was alive. Basically Irving spouted some denial crap about Auschwitz and Hugo Gryn pointed out he was in Auschwitz and the rest of his family died there....can't remember exactly the exchange but Irving was trounced. Gryn said things along the lines of 'look me in the eye when you say that lie'...he might even have called Irving a shit, I know I was cheering so I missed bits.

 

[cesare]

http://***educate-yourself.org/

^ This is quite an interesting site that I discovered today

The links at the top make it easy to reference

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

http://***educate-yourself.org/

I've seen that site before, it's a one stop shop for idiots

 

[butchersapron]

I've seen that site before, it's a one stop shop for idiots

Bookmarked is it?

 

[cesare]

I've heard from a lot people who should know that Irving is/was the best archivist historian there is. He's just a racist goon as well.

I'd never heard of him before this thread Then I looked at the wiki entry (yeah, I know, but as an overview) and that was illuminating (lol)

 

[cesare]

I've seen that site before, it's a one stop shop for idiots

Absolutely

But it's an easier reference source than Prison Plant if you're trying to compare ideologies (is that the right word?) iyswim. No overt propoganda and links diverting attention.

 

[butchersapron]

I'd never heard of him before this thread Then I looked at the wiki entry (yeah, I know, but as an overview) and that was illuminating (lol)

It mentions the Gable entry i note. Oddly enough Irvings legal notes ended up in the hands of the far right. Somehow.

 

[cesare]

Not surprising, Anton Wilson was a right wing libertarian like Darios.

Ah. It's weird innit how these alarm bells can go off in your own mind even when they're being overtly all rational and reasonable and that. See Dilute Micro for another example - on a recent thread I lost patience and did that whole 'fuck off fash' (literally) twice. No reaction from him/her. They just repeated the same taxonomy style post, and quietly go on posting as they have done for years.

 

[frogwoman]

Prison Planet links to a site called Dragonslayer:

yeah, pete peters, the christian identity twat.

he often gets accused of being a jew by people who don't think he's going far enough ...

 

[beesonthewhatnow]

Bookmarked is it?

edit, fuck it, can't even be arsed, I'm going to bed.

 

[butchersapron]

Have you a problem with obvious jokes officer?

 

[frogwoman]

yea, no racist connotationsthat i have ever heard of and even those US groups (Church of the creator/christian identity etc) that use the letter 'W' as their symbol don't seem to have ever used the #23 that i've seen*. it was Burroughs who first propogated the number 23, illuminati and TOPY type geeks following suit.

basically just a harmless, if wearisome, obsession really

*not to say that might not have started though.

The World Church of the Creator is hilarious with their doctrine of "salubrious living".

They don't believe in God so they're not the same as Christian Identity but they're equally crazy, if not more so. The "Creator" stuff refers to the idea that the "white race" is the only race which has a "creative spirit" and so should therefore worship itself ...

You're supposed to have baths/take showers in bottled water because the Jews have contaminated the water supply with all their horrible Jewish chemicals, and you're also supposed to live on a completely vegan diet...

 

[Blagsta]

Ah. It's weird innit how these alarm bells can go off in your own mind even when they're being overtly all rational and reasonable and that. See Dilute Micro for another example - on a recent thread I lost patience and did that whole 'fuck off fash' (literally) twice. No reaction from him/her. They just repeated the same taxonomy style post, and quietly go on posting as they have done for years.

He considers himself an "anarcho-capitalist" but is reluctant to discuss the contradictions inherent is such a description!

 

[the Magus]

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[cesare]

It mentions the Gable entry i note. Oddly enough Irvings legal notes ended up in the hands of the far right. Somehow.

I just ended up in a morass there, of focal point publications. They is doing the Internets win thing, innit

 

[cesare]

He considers himself an "anarcho-capitalist" but is reluctant to discuss the contradictions inherent is such a description!

Darios? Yeah, obvious. From the 'anarcho-capitalist let's laugh at it' He's never denied otherwise. But read his posting history from the start. It doesn't take that long.

Dilute Micro? Heh, her/his stuff is covertly hardcore

 

[8den]

I think if we are concerned with holocausts repeating themselves, I'll feel free to point out where I think the danger lies, and where it doesn't. If that gets in the way of your witch-hunt (which I know you have a penchant for Mrs M) then you'll have to forgive me.

Great find Badger Kitten. How did I miss this thread!

So Jazzz let me this clear you're showing your concern for holocausts by;

A) defending a holocaust denier as a "harmless bumbling man".

B) spread lurid and baseless claims about imaginary death camps.

Congratulations Jazzz, I'm reclassifying you, you've been downgraded from "delusional moron", to "utter scum".

A man who touts his dead Grandmothers passport as proof David Icke isn't an anti semite, and now tries to "poo poo" the facts about one of his ilk as a witch hunt.

Fucking contemptable.

Would someone kindly quote this post so Jazzz can read my feelings about him being a worthless waste of skin.

 

[cesare]

We like him 8den, have met him, know him. That's why the angst re the Witch Finder General stuff.

We're* having a hard time with this.





* well me specifically, but I don't think I'm alone

 

[cesare]

And you're far too fucking self satisfied and congratulatory 8den, you fucking creep

 

[butchersapron]

Can 8den leave this thread alone please. We wouldn't want his swollen swinging dick getting in the way. I deal in facts buster!I 've stomped truthers up and down the world don't make me put my foot up you ad hiniem arse did iot ever go to your head?

That's what we don't want. People been here longer than you nursing a few things.

edite: Oh god, then he really does mentions every point that's already been made. Bravo sir. Bravo. That's where you'll end up.

 

[8den]

Can 8den leave this thread alone please. We wouldn't want his swollen swinging dick getting in the way. I deal in facts buster!I 've stomped truthers up and down the world don't make me put my foot up you ad hiniem arse did iot ever go to your head?

That's what we don't want. People been here longer than you nursing a few things.

Oh god, then he mentions evey point that's already been made. Bravo sir. Bravo. That's where you'll end up.

A mate of mine lost her brother in the south tower. Truthers upset her to a degree that she cannot even deal with them.

And I do deal in facts, I've also pointed out to Jazzz that one of his truther heroes hangs out with former members of the Waffen SS. Another fact Jazzz likes to ignore.

So why don't you piss off with your thread derailing vendetta that you drag up again.

cesare, sorry Jazzz is a lost cause, he will not face up the the odious creeps he associates with.