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Conspiraloon 9/11- 7/7 Truther outed as Holocaust denier

It is not only about "teaching students". It is far more about shameless abuse of his academic degree, letting it serve to underscore his revisionism. He should be exposed for this by all means possible.

salaam.

I very much agree that he should be exposed - should be exposed as a 9/11 er who is also homocaust denier. Like I say, I'd have no sympathy at all if he ends up getting sacked as a result. Its just that I'm less sure about a direct, active strategy of getting him sacked. Like i say, fine distinctions.

There is though a bit of malevolent glee in me, waiting to see how ucl deal with this.
 
I agree, but the likes of badger kitten want to get rid of this man, since his speech is so abhorrent to them. She seems to want to return to the macarthyism of the US. Wrong opinion, get the fucker, wipe him out, ruin him.

It's just violence.

Bullshit, as I'm sure you're aware if you've actually read the thread properly.
What BK (and others) have spoken about is whether the person's employers are aware that he is using his position as an academic at their institution as a bolster to the veracity of his claims on subjects where those claims ignore the historical record, and whether they should be made aware. You yourself may or may not be aware that many academic institutions have contractual clauses that restrict their academics from using their positions to bolster their credibility, because it can reflect badly on the institution.
 
also the fact he is 'an academic' by implication endows his vile ideas with a credibility and gravitas they wouldn't otherwise have if he was just an every-day conspiraloon on a forum.

like jazzz :)
 
I talk about what you quoted, claiming that is "Islam" and on top of it, it is "Islam" merely because those lunatics said these words.

salaam.

What she actually said was that some terrorists have "cited Islam". She doesn't mean that they've used a specific sura or similar to justify their actions, but that they've used their interpretation of Islam as a justification for their actions.
I'm sure we're all aware of actions that have been justified by reference to a (deliberate or otherwise mis-reading of writ. This is merely one case among countless others were the mis-application of the ideas of a religion have been used to cause harm.
 
What she actually said was that some terrorists have "cited Islam". She doesn't mean that they've used a specific sura or similar to justify their actions, but that they've used their interpretation of Islam as a justification for their actions.

It was the use of the word "cited" that did it.
To me that has a different meaning than it seems to be able to get in English.

salaam.
 
also the fact he is 'an academic' by implication endows his vile ideas with a credibility and gravitas they wouldn't otherwise have if he was just an every-day conspiraloon on a forum.

like jazzz :)


To be fair, the purple gold thing should be enough by itself to discredit everything else he says.
 
Well I'll say this about the whole 'holocaust denial' thing. It's not uncommon for some aspects of the holocaust to be questioned in conspiracy theory circles.
It's not unusual for some aspects of the holocaust to be questioned in academe by historians, the difference being that historians are (generally, with dishonourable exceptions) punctilious about sourcing credible primary and secondary supporting evidence for the answers they arrive at to these questions.
As with many other aspects of history. Just about all of them, in fact. But what is palpable is the desire to 'out' someone as a nazi. Oh gosh, we don't get the chance to point the finger like that these days do we. Yes, this person said that! Well maybe not quite but close enough! That means they are nazi, they are evil, and we can put them in the stocks and pelt the fruit.
It doesn't mean that at all, it means that we should ask them to put up or shut up, and possibly request that they not used their academic credentials as a bolster to the credibility of claims they make in fields that diverge from their area of expertise.
Maybe even they should be hanged? After all, freedom of speech doesn't apply to them - we just decided. No matter that 'freedom of speech' is an inalienable principle that means absolutely nothing if one picks and chooses where it applies.
I wasn't aware that "freedom of speech" was an "inalienable principle", but that it was a "right" contingent on how it's exercise affects others.
And hitler got his power from this mentality, the witch-hunt - not those who would defend freedom of speech as an absolute against all-comers.
No he didn't.
Hitler "got his power" from cultivating Capital, moulding his pronouncements to appeal to the rural peasantry of the lande to counterbalance the leftward voting habits of the urban-dwellers, and making grand but unkept promises about "job creation" for the urban poor, all underlain with a Judaeophobic and anti-Slavic current that also emphasised Germany's status as a "victim" of the Versailles treaty.
It was only after he (more or less) legitimately got elected as Reichskanzler that he instituted his dictatorship and cultivated the overt scapegoating of "social others" as a way of both exercising and deriving power over the general populace.
I'm posting this while a bit drunk, probably against my better judgment. But I can promise this - Nick Kollerstrom, bumbling, slightly crazy, likeable, mild-mannered chap that he is, is no nazi. He's just a conspiracy theorist.
At the considerable risk of invoking Godwin's Law, that sounds like a fairly apt description of Heinrich Himmler too. :)
But hey, why not string him up? After all, we need to stamp on those conspiracy theorists too - they phoned up badger kitten, don'tchaknow, after she launched an public assault on them on her blog. Let's round them up and send them to the gas chambers! Sieg Heil!
:rolleyes:
Who wants to string him up? No-one.
Who wants to see whether his employers is happy to support his views? Plenty of people on this thread.

Seems perfectly fair to me.
 
To be fair, the purple gold thing should be enough by itself to discredit everything else he says.

Every time I read the words "purple gold" it makes me think of Lord Percy in Blackadder II and his alchemical experiments that produce a "nugget of purest green". :D :D
 
To be fair, the purple gold thing should be enough by itself to discredit everything else he says.

yea, but arguably, that is more a harmless eccentricity. he believes he can create 'purple gold'....i'm sure there are others who believe they 'speak to god' on sundays. i don't think people would be quite so bothered if there was some old fool getting in some collecge who believed he could create gold out of Blue-tack, Cremola Foam, melted down Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle figures and a squirt of Sunny Delight .
 
It was the use of the word "cited" that did it.
To me that has a different meaning than it seems to be able to get in English.

salaam.

IMHO part of the problem proceeds from Americans using the term "cites" instead of "citations" when referencing sources.
See, I can find a way to blame the US for just about anything! :)
 
I would be less worried about some acedemic putting out this shite then the platform being given to Icke, Alex Jones and the like on the James Whale show on Talksport week in week out where they can reach a sizeable audience with seemingly no challenge whatsoever.
 
I would be less worried about some acedemic putting out this shite then the platform being given to Icke, Alex Jones and the like on the James Whale show on Talksport week in week out where they can reach a sizeable audience with seemingly no challenge whatsoever.

Aye... but let's face it - David Icke = antisemitic bonkers cunt, and Alex Jones is so full of shit it's widely believed he works for the FBI.
 
Every time I read the words "purple gold" it makes me think of Lord Percy in Blackadder II and his alchemical experiments that produce a "nugget of purest green". :D :D

Yep.:D

yea, but arguably, that is more a harmless eccentricity. he believes he can create 'purple gold'....i'm sure there are others who believe they 'speak to god' on sundays. i don't think people would be quite so bothered if there was some old fool getting in some collecge who believed he could create gold out of Blue-tack, Cremola Foam, melted down Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle figures and a squirt of Sunny Delight .

True.
 
Funny how everyone so sure they have right on their side with regard to preventing holocausts happening again seem to ignore -



you seen that footage Badger Kitten?

If only you spent more time actually wondering about what the hell is going on in the world, rather than attempting to attack the ones who are doing just that. :rolleyes:
 
Funny how everyone so sure they have right on their side with regard to preventing holocausts happening again seem to ignore -



you seen that footage Badger Kitten?

If only you spent more time actually wondering about what the hell is going on in the world, rather than attempting to attack the ones who are doing just that. :rolleyes:
Crafty bastards - 'prison camps' disguised as prisons :D

What absolute cobblers. I could make a video like that tomorrow.
 
Funny how everyone so sure they have right on their side with regard to preventing holocausts happening again seem to ignore -



you seen that footage Badger Kitten?

If only you spent more time actually wondering about what the hell is going on in the world, rather than attempting to attack the ones who are doing just that. :rolleyes:



And that's your answer is it, when presented with clear evidence of just how vile your pal's view are? To attack me and change the subject? To post up a youtube video on a different subject? To refuse to look at the evidence presented of your mate's repellent views, views he attempts to bolster by citing his PhD?

That's your best answer is it?

Absolutely pathetic.

What do you do apart from paste up lies on the internet, hang about with a holocaust denier who you call your 'friend', who you say you have no reason to doubt and 'know personally', and attack people when they challenge your lies? Oh, you play a mean jazz piano, apparently. Well, perhaps you should stick to that, if you find the challenges of the real world - such as your real friends real Nazi-apologist views and real survivor-bothering too real for you.
 
<rhetorical question to Jazzz> Any views on your holocaust-denier pal's views or are you just going to carry on wriggling and changing the subject and posting excuses? </rhetorical question to Jazzz>
 
Funny how everyone so sure they have right on their side with regard to preventing holocausts happening again seem to ignore -



you seen that footage Badger Kitten?

If only you spent more time actually wondering about what the hell is going on in the world, rather than attempting to attack the ones who are doing just that. :rolleyes:


You really are totally fucked - caught hanging around with a holocaust denier despite you posting up passport pictures of your family who died in what he denies happened. Claiming him as a friend, doing joint research with him, using him a source numerous times - all that now conveniently becomes him just being a bumbling fool who you hardly know. Throw as much sand in peoples eys as you like - you've been caught with your pants down.

If your reputation was already low (and it was) you had a chance to redeem yourself with a timely public rejection of this freak and all he believes in - instead you decided to engage in the most desperate sort of smoke and mirrors, to try and hide it under the carpet and to shit on the principles of full discloure you try and beat others around th head with.

You are despicable. I never thought i'd see you stoop so low despite warning you that you'd have to with the compmany you've been keeping. But here you are - you've proved me wrong. You sick fuck.
 
Fucking hell, that Friends of Liberty (yeah, the FEMA one) site's got links to other far right shit too including Dr Menlo.

Christ Jazzz, what the fuck are you in to?
 
I think it's very likely, in fact almost certain, that all states have contingency plans for mass unrest. But I don't think that the cause of revealing the truth is helped by using emotive and sinister word-laden narration on top of footage that can be easily obtained. The existence of prisons only proves the existence of prisons, not their actual purpose. For that you'd need access to planning documents
 
hey jazzz, are you mates with this colourful (national socialist) eccentric too?

http://www.geocities.com/davidmyatt/

"I have denied and do deny the malicious stories about cat-strangling and harming animals and challenged to a duel anyone who spread such allegations—for I find these particular allegations, involving cruelty to animals, quite detestable, being, like Savitri Devi and Adolf Hitler, a person who loves and respects animals."
 
Someone finally embraced Islam but without giving me notice??

salaam.

:D

According to wiki, in April 2006 the Times said that he believed:

"The pure authentic Islam of the revival, which recognises practical jihad as a duty, is the only force that is capable of fighting and destroying the dishonour, the arrogance, the materialism of the West ... For the West, nothing is sacred, except perhaps Zionists, Zionism, the hoax of the so-called Holocaust, and the idols which the West and its lackeys worship, or pretend to worship, such as democracy... Jihad is our duty. If nationalists, or some of them, desire to aid us, to help us, they can do the right thing, the honourable thing, and convert, revert, to Islam — accepting the superiority of Islam over and above each and every way of the West."
 
You mean that superb nonsense was said/written by that lunatic who needs to wave with an academic title to give his nonsense an aura of credibility?

salaam.
 
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