Well I'll say this about the whole 'holocaust denial' thing. It's not uncommon for some aspects of the holocaust to be questioned in conspiracy theory circles.
And what do we know about people who like to question the holocaust? Deny the holocaust? They are without exception antisemitic. I challenge you to find me a holocaust dener who is not antisemitic.
Why do you think holocaust-denial is looked upon with such revulsion? That antisemitism is 'not uncommon' you admit- does that make it right?
As with many other aspects of history. Just about all of them, in fact.
Are you saying it is okay to lie about the fact that millions of people were exterminated?
But what is palpable is the desire to 'out' someone as a nazi.
Twisting it round so it is about me wanting to out people? What is worse, being a holocaust denier, working at a University, as a committed liar and antisemite, or people expressing revulsion at lies and anti semitic, holocaust-denial views on a bulletin board?
Oh gosh, we don't get the chance to point the finger like that these days do we. Yes, this person said that!
Yes, this person said the holocaust was a lie. This person also said:
The Gestapo and Zionists were collaborating in the late 30s because they had in this respect similar aims.
This person said that concentration camp survivors are false witnesses - liars.
With regard to the gas chambers, the almost endless procession of false witnesses
And he's
still at it - denying survivor testimony of recent atrocities and calling survivors liars to this day. Not only that, but he is writing to them, attempting to talk to them and visit , hassling them whilst they eat their lunch. Do you condone what he says and does, Jazzz?
Well maybe not quite but close enough!
What he has said, and written, he has said and written, under his own name, not a pseudonym, repeatedly and publicly, as a matter of record. There's not 'not quite' about it.
That means they are nazi, they are evil, and we can put them in the stocks and pelt the fruit.
If he didn't want people to know he was a holocaust denier, why is he writing essays about it citing his PhD under his real name? Would you rather we didn't discuss it?
Maybe even they should be hanged?
Because discussing holocaust deniers is the same as suggesting capital punishment for them, is it?
After all, freedom of speech doesn't apply to them - we just decided.
Nick seems to be freely writing about his views.
You seem to be freely expressing yours.
I seem to be freely expressing mine.
But here's Nick on freedom of speech, after finding out that a school is teaching about the Holocaust
( writing on a White Supremacist site)
According to my teenager's homework, it seems to be Holocaust week at school again, so all the non-Jewish kids will be learning the Jewish version of it. What do you do when a public institution teaches something is a fact that you believe is not a fact? Well, you can always call the teacher or write a letter, which will have no effect other than to get you a reputation as a dangerous nut. No school will change its policy on this because of any information you cite to them; even if they secretly agree with you, they do not have the courage.
No matter that 'freedom of speech' is an inalienable principle that means absolutely nothing if one picks and chooses where it applies
Nick is advocating writing letters to a learning institution. I see other posters here have also suggested the same on here. After all, Nick is not posting anonymously on Stormfront - he is writing citing his PhD from a University where he is a research fellow. He is open about what he says. Does he seriously expect everyone to remain silent? Do you think remaining silent in the face of a monstrous antisemitic hateful lie is the right reaction? Do you think silence is tacit consent or approval? Do the 'Truth Movement' not make great play of the right to challenge things they believe to be lies? Yet, you are advocating we do the opposite?
And hitler got his power from this mentality, the witch-hunt
No Jazz, Hitler got his power from peddling lies about Jewish people, spreading conspiracy theories about them, how they were liars and how 'Zionism' needed to be routed out.Hitler cited an antisemitic lie, a conspiracy theory about Jews - the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as his
justification for genocide, Jazzz. Conspiracy theories can be dangerous.
Hitler refers to the Protocols in Mein Kampf:
... To what extent the whole existence of this people is based on a continuous lie is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. They are based on a forgery, the Frankfurter Zeitung moans and screams once every week: the best proof that they are authentic. [...] the important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims.[37]
Hitler endorsed it in his speeches from August 1921 on, and it was studied in German classrooms after the Nazis came to power. At the height of World War II, the Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels proclaimed: "The Zionist Protocols are as up-to-date today as they were the day they were first published."[22] In Norman Cohn's words, it served as the Nazis' "warrant for genocide".
not those who would defend freedom of speech as an absolute against all-comers. Nick's beliefs are Hitler's beliefs, given new life after we fought a war to defeat the spread of them and their hateful consequences.
I do not defend hate-speech and lies as an absolute right. Not when history shows what comes of it.
I'm posting this while a bit drunk, probably against my better judgment
I certainly question your judgement, yes.
But I can promise this - Nick Kollerstrom, bumbling, slightly crazy, likeable, mild-mannered chap that he is, is no nazi.
Look at his views, Jazzz. Look what he writes and what he says. He is a Holocaust-denier. He is someone who denies genocide, harasses survivors of atrocities, is an anti semite and a liar and who posts on White Supremacist sites. And he is someone who is your friend, who you consider likeable?
His mannerisms apparently make his views all right?
He's just a conspiracy theorist
I disagree. I've read what he says and he's more than that. And he is a research fellow at a University, where one would think standards and truth are important. He does not keep his views to himself.
But hey, why not string him up?
No, let's not. Discussing his views is not stringing him up.
After all, we need to stamp on those conspiracy theorists too-
Yeah, actually, I do think they should be challenged. Because they are lies, and I think truth is important.
they phoned up badger kitten, don'tchaknow, after she launched an public assault on them on her blog.
I see, nice misrepresentation and twisting of history there. Have you any idea of what went on? I suppose you just gulped down wholesale a false version of what happened by the perpetrators of that particular little campaign. Why am I not surprised?
Let's round them up and send them to the gas chambers! Sieg Heil!
That last remark is beneath contempt.
