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Meltingpot said:
No it isn't, because you've been consistently belittling people's attempts to relate their own life experiences to the title of the thread. Anyone who thinks disabled people are being attacked more frequently because of govt. rhetoric = a self-righteous windbag, according to you. And you can't honestly see why people are getting upset with you?
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Spot on.
 
LLETSA said:
Maybe-but I see no evidence of an ongoing, low-level street war against people in wheelchairs or with mental health problems.
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This is the first point you made that you consider valid, made yesterday evening.

Despite reports being posted from reputable sources, you stand by your claim that you made valid points and that people saw offence where there was none and overreacted.

Really? You deny disability hate-crime is happening yet you don't see that as offensive?
 
Wilf, you weren't around for the Deaf lesbians thread (about ten years ago...long gone I think, from the days when we had to delete loads of threads or the boards just completely ground to a halt)...this is pale in comparison. Actually, that's one thing that's changed for the better on these boards. The vast majority of posters have become a bit more conscious about disability.
 
equationgirl said:
This is the first point you made that you consider valid, made yesterday evening.

Despite reports being posted from reputable sources, you stand by your claim that you made valid points and that people saw offence where there was none and overreacted.

Really? You deny disability hate-crime is happening yet you don't see that as offensive?
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Well, he clearly hasn't taken on board the Government's own statistics that shows a big rise in attacks, so frankly, unless he was beaten to a bloody pulp on the grounds that he's deaf in one ear, I don't think he'll ever take it on board. Maybe he'd still be in denial even as he slipped into a coma....
 
Strathclyde police are still running their poster campaign about disability hate crime, which is good, making people aware that it is a crime.

I am fortunate, like Wilf I had minimal problems with hate crime myself, but that doesn't mean I'm not angry on behalf of those who can't defend themselves.
 
equationgirl said:
This is the first point you made that you consider valid, made yesterday evening.

Despite reports being posted from reputable sources, you stand by your claim that you made valid points and that people saw offence where there was none and overreacted.

Really? You deny disability hate-crime is happening yet you don't see that as offensive?
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I haven't denied it-I said I haven't seen it.
 
 
shagnasty said:
i should imagine you have to accept other peoples experiences even though you don't witness it yourself.it is having faith in peoples honesty
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It's like not believing every single major event if you weren't there.

For example, I didn't see the Olympians' parade in Glasgow this evening so it probably didn't happen, right?
 
LLETSA said:
I haven't denied it-I said I haven't seen it.
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Mr Gradgrind - 'You are extremely deficient in your facts. Your acquaintance with figures is very limited. You are altogether backward, and below the mark.'
Sissy - 'I am sorry, sir,'
 
equationgirl said:
Strathclyde police are still running their poster campaign about disability hate crime, which is good, making people aware that it is a crime.

I am fortunate, like Wilf I had minimal problems with hate crime myself, but that doesn't mean I'm not angry on behalf of those who can't defend themselves.
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I hope these people know you're angry on their behalf.
 
Mrs Magpie said:
Well, he clearly hasn't taken on board the Government's own statistics that shows a big rise in attacks, so frankly, unless he was beaten to a bloody pulp on the grounds that he's deaf in one ear, I don't think he'll ever take it on board. Maybe he'd still be in denial even as he slipped into a coma....
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thankfully we now live in an area that seems to have a very low rate of this kind of behavior. not saying everyone in cornwall is nice, but there seem to be a lot fewer arseholes about.if i had to actually witness something to beleive in it, i probably wouldn't believe it either, cause it isn't happening to the same degree in this community.

but there are too many reports now for any reasonable person to remain in denial. we must therefore conclude that anyone attempting to deny this is unreasonable
 
equationgirl said:
Lovely backpedalling there, sweetie.
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Backpedalling how? All along I've said I've personally seen no evidence of widespread violence and abuse towards those with disabilities (hope this is an acceptable term that will not prove injurious to anybody's self-esteem.) Of course, I do accept that, in today's world, statistics and poster campaigns, and the words of pressure groups etc etc have completely abolishedthe need for any personal experience at all, which is probably why so many people see no need to do anything but stare into a computer screen or iphone: all human life is there.

What really seems to be the 'offence' here, though, is somebody having the audacity to cast mild doubt on the authenticity of messageboard anecdote.

Not of it actually matters, however. The world will be the same in the morning.
 
LLETSA said:
Backpedalling how? All along I've said I've personally seen no evidence of widespread violence and abuse towards those with disabilities (hope this is an acceptable term that will not prove injurious to anybody's self-esteem.) Of course, I do accept that, in today's world, statistics and poster campaigns, and the words of pressure groups etc etc have completely abolishedthe need for any personal experience at all, which is probably why so many people see no need to do anything but stare into a computer screen or iphone: all human life is there.

What really seems to be the 'offence' here, though, is somebody having the audacity to cast mild doubt on the authenticity of messageboard anecdote.
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there is far more evidence than messageboard anecdote. the anecdote is simply a community of people discussing their own expereinces that relate to the sources given in the thread.
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http://www.disabilitynow.org.uk/the-hate-crime-dossier
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19589602
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ed-people-soar-to-a-record-level-7858841.html
http://www.disabilityhatecrime.org....-crimes-against-britains-disabled-on-the-rise
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...st-disabled-people-acpo-police_n_1880733.html
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like these. looked at any of them?

Not of it actually matters, however. The world will be the same in the morning.
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yep, disabled people will still be getting battered for being disabled and you will still be a twat.
 
Greebo said:
No, that isn't all there is to it. You tried to be humourously provocative but did a series of pratfalls instead. Sweetie, you're dangerously close to dropping your mask.
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I like the way Greebo thinks she/he is patronising me by calling me sweetie all the time.

That's the thing about you lot-you're all so damned original nobody could possibly keep up.
 
LLETSA said:
What really seems to be the 'offence' here, though, is somebody having the audacity to cast mild doubt on the authenticity of messageboard anecdote.
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A low key, understated way of (still) saying 'I don't believe your 'anecdotes' '. Hope the ambulance service don't exercise the same 'mild doubts' about your need for paramedics if you ever have need to call them.
 
LLETSA said:
Not of it actually matters, however. The world will be the same in the morning.
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Au contraire. Tomorrow the world will be slightly different, and the day after that it will have changed slightly again. And so on. Change may not be immediately noticeable, but you've still got a choice in which direction it goes.
 
LLETSA said:
I hope these people know you're angry on their behalf.
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If more people did get angry on their behalf, helped make a stand against the havoc Atos and the DWP are wreaking and generally looked out for those who are vulnerable, then perhaps there would be less disability-hate crime.

Oh wait, there's actually none because you've never seen it. Silly me.
 
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there is far more evidence than messageboard anecdote. the anecdote is simply a community of people discussing their own expereinces that relate to the sources given in the thread.


like these. looked at any of them?



yep, disabled people will still be getting battered for being disabled and you will still be a twat.
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How many times do I have to say that I haven't necessarily denied that it might be going on?
 
LLETSA said:
I like the way Greebo thinks she/he is patronising me by calling me sweetie all the time.

That's the thing about you lot-you're all so damned original nobody could possibly keep up.
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No, sweetie, not patronising. Far worse. If you don't get it, you probably never will. BTW your attempt at stonewalling was pisspoor. And your mask is slipping again.
 
LLETSA said:
How many times do I have to say that I haven't necessarily denied that it might be going on?
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Apart from the people who have told you it has happened to them - you've denied their own direct experiences (sorry, 'mild doubts' that's it isn't it?).
 
equationgirl said:
If more people did get angry on their behalf, helped make a stand against the havoc Atos and the DWP are wreaking and generally looked out for those who are vulnerable, then perhaps there would be less disability-hate crime.

Oh wait, there's actually none because you've never seen it. Silly me.
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It might make even more difference if all you self-styled angries spent as much time doing exactly that as you do on indulging in shrill, self-righteous quacking on here.

Society's most vulnerable are lucky in having your type to defend them, what with nobody else being willing to do it.
 
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