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No Pastafarians?
Census 2021
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No Pastafarians?
Yes, noone is going "fail" the census by writing it, and it won't affect anything that happens in real life. (i.e. Councils didn't suddenly start building loads of jedi churches based on the figures). It is completely pointless, but harmless.
girasol
Addicted to handstands!
Same here
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
I suspect the joke awnsers like "jedi" and "heavy metal" are just regarded the same as "no religeon" by the authorities.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Which kind of brings us back to the question of why the state wants/needs to know about the supernatural belief affiliation of citizens.
Bahnhof Strasse
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Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
This supernatural stuff- what do mean?
Are you introducing your own bias here?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Thought that the antonym of naturalism was widely understood to cover supposed phenomena that aren't subject to the laws of nature?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
It seems like something a militant atheist would say, dismissing faith as a fallacious belief in the supernatural
Thought that the antonym of naturalism was widely understood to cover supposed phenomena that aren't subject to the laws of nature?
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
I don't think that it's necessary to be an atheist, "militant"( ? ) or otherwise, to appreciate that belief in matters that aren't subject to the laws of nature therefore relate to the supernatural.
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Hmm, but if you believe in the supernatural, then it isn’t supernatural to you
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
So...you're suggesting that supernatural beliefs should be called belief in the supernatural because those involved in believing in supernatural matters might not like that?
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
You’ve lost meSo...you're suggesting that supernatural beliefs should be called belief in the supernatural because those involved in believing in supernatural matters might not like that?
A380
How do I change this 'custom title' thing then?
All hail the FSM, May her noodley appendages bless you.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Was having a look at how the ONS propose to include the homeless in their census operation and it seems that they're offering a number of means:
In past census operations the ONS have sent out fieldworkers/outreach workers to contact and collate rough sleeper data but it looks as though they've abandoned that idea as too costly.
- get recorded at a hostel or shelter
- where they are 'sofa-surfing'
- on their mobile phone
In past census operations the ONS have sent out fieldworkers/outreach workers to contact and collate rough sleeper data but it looks as though they've abandoned that idea as too costly.
I can think of lots of reasons the information is useful. it could be used to make decisions on where/if to build places of worship. Or by supermarkets to decide whether to stock halal/kosher food. or in deciding whether or not to give permission for street celebrations on holy days in a certain area. or more generally to get insight into demographics at a snapshot in time.
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, I get those points but not much of that involves the state.
I'd have thought (hoped) that religions themselves were responsible for providing the buildings required and supermarkets will stock what turns them a profit. As to street celebrations; you'd kind of hope that LAs didn't just restrict them to beliefs with the biggest numbers?
The information isn't specifically for use by the state, it can be used by anyone. You have been using a lot of data from previous censuses in this very thread.
Don't you think it is at all useful to have any record whatsoever of approximately how many people of every religion are in every area/the country? Even it is just for historical use (e.g. "in 1900 the great majority of people in the UK were CofE, but by 2030 the majority did not have any religion" or whatever).
We wouldn't even be able track approximate population changes without it. Noone would have anywhere to live, we woudl have run out of houses 300 years ago.
moochedit
I'm not feeding seagulls
"I see you want to hold a pagan nationalist street rally in the middle of an 80% orthodox jewish area, we question your motives and say no" etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Praps we could start by disestablishing the C of E, given how few of us subscribe to its antiquated beliefs. And stop giving credence or paying particular respect to other religions too. (That's not the state talking, btw. That's me.) There was never any justification for a national established religion, but if hardly anyone agrees with it...
Orang Utan
Psychick Worrier Ov Geyoor
Those with greater numbers would need more planning
hash tag
Books, not bombs
I am not Christian. It would be hypocritical of me to celebrate something I do not believe in. We can hope. We have far too much time off work in this country, the productivity must be shocking. Working a few extra days a year would surely help the greater good and all that.
planning permission
how would they know what should be stocked, if there was no information on demographics? trial and error?
What figures did you use to decide hardly anyone agrees with it? Where did they come from!
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
I was making the assumption that those who do not adhere to the C of E would not believe in it being established. They might do, but then again some who do adhere may believe in disestablishment. Try looking at this link for the statistics:-
Religion and belief: some surveys and statistics
Numerous surveys indicate that the proportion of individuals who do not hold religious beliefs is steadily increasing and perhaps now represents the majority of the UK’s population. Religions and beliefs are notoriously difficult to measure, as they are not fixed or innate, and therefore any...
humanism.org.uk
brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Yeah, but the application process should cover that, tbh.
You are making quite a few assumptions there then. As are the humanist society in that link. They are obviously partisan towards humanism; it is taking figures from a lot of different small surveys and trying to use them to make a very specific case (that was already decided on before they looked at any figures).I was making the assumption that those who do not adhere to the C of E would not believe in it being established. They might do, but then again some who do adhere may believe in disestablishment. Try looking at this link for the statistics:-
Religion and belief: some surveys and statistics
Numerous surveys indicate that the proportion of individuals who do not hold religious beliefs is steadily increasing and perhaps now represents the majority of the UK’s population. Religions and beliefs are notoriously difficult to measure, as they are not fixed or innate, and therefore any...
The figures from the census, however, are non-partisan. They are taken direct from the people of the country without interpretation (ie not saying "well they might have said they were religious but I don't reckon they really meant it" like the humanist article says, which is very arrogant), and it has a sample size of about 95% of the population; and because it is done every 10 years it can be tracked over time. Pretty useful. It is not going to give perfectly accurate results, but definitely more accurate than small polls done by partisan organisations.
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brogdale
Coming to terms with late onset Anarchism
Not sure whether or not I think it is useful to know about numbers subscribing to different religions, tbh. I certainly can't see what it's got to do with the housing market?
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