Beating the Fascists: The authorised history of Anti-Fascist Action

[belboid]

I don't believe it was the main criteria. So why make it into the main aspect? I mean, I know why the right do, but supposed leftists?

35 cops still under investigation for ignoring, or even covering up, the abuse. No question they were just scared of being called racists. They were just cunts.

 

[Fedayn]

I don't believe it was the main criteria. So why make it into the main aspect? I mean, I know why the right do, but supposed leftists?

35 cops still under investigation for ignoring, or even covering up, the abuse. No question they were just scared of being called racists. They were just cunts.

You don't believe it was the main criteria? Even though the evidence is pretty clear that in some way, and by stating 'main criteria', you implicitly admit it was a criteria for their decisions and yet you attack others for racialising the issue when you accept that it was the perpetrators themselves who have racialized it as part of their modus operandi?

As for the police, yet another example of their not giving a fuck about young working class lassies, thinking they are unbelievable, dispensible kids who aren't worthy of being helped..... Added to that the evidence that some of the professionals believed they were little slags who were happy to be involved and their utterly gutless refusal to dare think this was happening.....

 

[belboid]

Lots of things have a racial element. Police brutality, unemployment, educational achievement. Generally, on this thread, making the racial aspect the central one has been condemned. But not in this instance. The contradiction is glaring.

 

[Fedayn]

Lots of things have a racial element. Police brutality, unemployment, educational achievement. Generally, on this thread, making the racial aspect the central one has been condemned. But not in this instance. The contradiction is glaring.

But the facts regarding the perpetrators racializing their entire MO is downplayed by you, you have decided, even knowing the evidence regarding the racial/ethnic/national background, that people you have never met, did not make their main criteria. Based on what evidence have you made that decision?

 

[Joe Reilly]

This. When the left doesn't address the state failing these working class kids, it gives the right the space to position themselves as the only ones who care.

Adherence to identity politics has locked the liberal left into a state of constant vigilance to defend members of ethnic minorities and ethnic minorities as a whole regardless of what a minority within the minority might be involved in, or what if any responsibility the minority community itself might carry in that regard. It is simply not open for debate. Identity politics demands that carte blanche absolution is the only acceptable order of the day. Therefore anyone drawing attention to the disproportionate numbers of any community involved in any form disreputable behavior is instantly allotted the role of racist or fascist propagandist. Guilty until proved otherwise.

Media, MP's anti-fascists, especially working class ones (always suspect anyway) are casually classified thus. There is no context. It is evident on this thread. They have transgressed against identity politics mores, and that is it. Naturally there is zero regard for how this posturing is going down with the watching public. After all most of them are racist and fascist (Brexit/Trump proves this surely?) as well.
Of course the problem is once everyone, in a sort of 'Dear White People...' way, is deigned to be racist and fascist, then by the same token, no one is.

 

[chilango]

Until recently my work involved a lot of child protection stuff and I was involved in a number of serious CSE cases and so on.

Whilst I'm not going to say anymore about them here, I will say one thing.

The discussions we had around strategy were very, very different to the one being had on here.

 

[belboid]

But the facts regarding the perpetrators racializing their entire MO is downplayed by you, you have decided, even knowing the evidence regarding the racial/ethnic/national background, that people you have never met, did not make their main criteria. Based on what evidence have you made that decision?

The main criteria is child abuse. I can't see how anyone can deny that.

 

[Ole]

Lots of things have a racial element. Police brutality, unemployment, educational achievement. Generally, on this thread, making the racial aspect the central one has been condemned. But not in this instance. The contradiction is glaring.

Centralising the racial aspect isn't the question - stop lying.

Acknowledging the racial aspect of certain cases of child abuse is what you are attacking people for.

 

[belboid]

Centralising the racial aspect isn't the question - stop lying.

Of course it is, stop being a fool. When the Sun demands a solution to the 'Muslim problem' that isn't just a bit salty, it's clearly centralising race, and being racist.

Acknowledging

the racial aspect of certain cases of child abuse is what you are attacking people for.

Now that's a lie.

 

[Ole]

Of course it is, stop being a fool. When the Sun demands a solution to the 'Muslim problem' that isn't just a bit salty, it's clearly centralising race, and being racist.


Now that's a lie.

On here, not The Sun you bellend.

It's not a lie. You're in denial and you're a coward.

 

[Ole]

Adherence to identity politics has locked the liberal left into a state of constant vigilance to defend members of ethnic minorities and ethnic minorities as a whole regardless of what a minority within the minority might be involved in, or what if any responsibility the minority community itself might carry in that regard. It is simply not open for debate. Identity politics demands that carte blanche absolution is the only acceptable order of the day. Therefore anyone drawing attention to the disproportionate numbers of any community involved in any form disreputable behavior is instantly allotted the role of racist or fascist propagandist. Guilty until proved otherwise.

Media, MP's anti-fascists, especially working class ones (always suspect anyway) are casually classified thus. There is no context. It is evident on this thread. They have transgressed against identity politics mores, and that is it. Naturally there is zero regard for how this posturing is going down with the watching public. After all most of them are racist and fascist (Brexit/Trump proves this surely?) as well.
Of course the problem is once everyone, in a sort of 'Dear White People...' way, is deigned to be racist and fascist, then by the same token, no one is.

'No black person can be racist.'

'Except that black person over there saying that they can.'

I think that's how it goes.

 

[Fedayn]

The main criteria is child abuse. I can't see how anyone can deny that.

No one is though, you are however are trying to utterly downplay it to the point where you are suggesting that anyone who is looking at it as 'supposed Leftists'.

I suggested it being a main criteria for their MO, not the actual crime, which as you know are two seperate things. The crime is clear the MO is not the actual crime. 2 seperate things you are trying to conflate to smear people.

 

[belboid]

On here, not The Sun you bellend.

It's not a lie. You're in denial and you're a coward.

On here too. It was the starting point for Joke Reilly. Get your head out of his arse b

 

[belboid]

No one is though, you are however are trying to utterly downplay it to the point where you are suggesting that anyone who is looking at it as 'supposed Leftists'.

I suggested it being a main criteria for their MO, not the actual crime, which as you know are two seperate things. The crime is clear the MO is not the actual crime. 2 seperate things you are trying to conflate to smear people.

See above.

But okay, even accepting that, I stick by my previous point - the main criteria is girls with chaotic lifestyles who the 'system' ignore. Race is secondary.

 

[belboid]

I repeat my previous questions:

What precisely is 'the problem'?

And what is the 'solution'?

 

[RD2003]

I repeat my previous questions:

What precisely is 'the problem'?

And what is the 'solution'?

Here's Belboid recently.

 

[The39thStep]

Problem seems to be girls with chaotic lifestyles that the system ignores and Asian men who mainly work in the night time economy systematically abusing them .

 

[Pickman's model]

I repeat my previous questions:

What precisely is 'the problem'?

And what is the 'solution'?

you seem to have forgotten about these previous questions, chuck:

I don't believe it was the main criteria. So why make it into the main aspect? I mean, I know why the right do, but supposed leftists?

35 cops still under investigation for ignoring, or even covering up, the abuse. No question they were just scared of being called racists. They were just cunts.

 

[19force8]

FYI: This poisonous cunt 19force8 also said that anti-Islamic extremism protests are racist by definition.

Oh dear, It's That Man Again.

You know, the one who's quite happy with the working class being murdered and maimed as long as the terrorists are white.

But he's not a racist, oh no.

 

[Ole]

Oh dear, It's That Man Again.

You know, the one who's quite happy with the working class being murdered and maimed as long as the terrorists are white.

But he's not a racist, oh no.

Have you hit your head on something very hard?

Or knocking back the spirits, perhaps?

 

[19force8]

Have you hit your head on something very hard?

Or knocking back the spirits, perhaps?

I'm not surprised you don't like being reminded of when you justified the PIRA bombing, murdering and maiming their way through these islands because they were "anti-imperialists."

Twat

 

[Ole]

I'm not surprised you don't like being reminded of when you justified the PIRA bombing, murdering and maiming their way through these islands because they were "anti-imperialists."

Twat

Oh yes - you mean when you were condemning anti-jihadists as Islamophobic, and analogising the relationship of ISIS with Muslims to the IRA with the Irish of the past? And I condemned you for it?

The sheer lack of self-awareness - of how ridiculously shit your views look to normal people - will finish you before anything else will.

 

[Athos]

Doing what, precisely? I've seen the local left damning the cuts to services by the state that leave these kids in danger. I've seen them demand extra support for the workers charged with protecting them. And I've seen them demanding the kids be believed when they come forward with accusations.

No, there haven't been big well covered demo's over those issues, and there should have been. But it just isn't true the 'left' aren't doing anything.

Most of the response I've seen has been finger-wagging, telling working class people off for being racist, without offering anything else.

 

[19force8]

Oh yes - you mean when you were condemning anti-jihadists as Islamophobic, and analogising the relationship of ISIS with Muslims to the IRA with the Irish of the past? And I condemned you for it?

The sheer lack of self-awareness - of how ridiculously shit your views look to normal people - will finish you before anything else will.

And It's That Man Again, again.

I did no such thing, but I know your ability to understand simple English is limited so you won't quote what I actually said because it shows you up for the blowhard you are.

Even so you were clear that the PIRA's terrorism was justified. No mention of the damage they did to so many working class families, because that doesn't matter if the cause is justified, does it?

 

[Ole]

And It's That Man Again, again.

I did no such thing, but I know your ability to understand simple English is limited so you won't quote what I actually said because it shows you up for the blowhard you are.

Even so you were clear that the PIRA's terrorism was justified. No mention of the damage they did to so many working class families, because that doesn't matter if the cause is justified, does it?

Utterly false. I condemned you for comparing them to ISIS jihadists, and I called the IRA anti-imperialist terrorists because that is factually what they were.

I never said anything to the effect of terrorism (as a means) is justified by the ends (anti-imperialism).

Here are your quotes of which you are clearly so proud:

What is a march "against extremism" for?

Is it for working with Muslim communities helping them fight the racism discrimination and abuse they face?

Or is it for supporting the government's Prevent programme and getting people to grass on their family and friends for thought crimes?

More importantly, how will such a march be perceived by communities that have faced years of BNP/EDL/NF/BF thugs being escorted through their towns?

This is why "the left" doesn't organise "anti-jihadist" demonstrations. Just as we didn't organise anti-IRA marches during the troubles. In fact we campaigned for Troops Out and in support of the hunger strikers.

Although I would challenge your assertion that an "anti-Islamic extremism protest" could be non-racist.

 

[19force8]

So once again - a march against Islamic extremism would be justified when one against PIRA wasn't because...?

 

[Magnus McGinty]

So once again - a march against Islamic extremism would be justified when one against PIRA wasn't because...?

One is fascist and the other isn't?

 

[Pickman's model]

So once again - a march against Islamic extremism would be justified when one against PIRA wasn't because...?

what is islamick extremism?

 

[19force8]

what is islamick extremism? why would you hold a march against a concept?

I don't want to, ITMA does. Or rather he thinks the left should. One concept marching against another - the man's a genius.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't want to, ITMA does. Or rather he thinks the left should. One concept marching against another - the man's a genius.

Ole? perhaps we could have a definition of islamick extremism off him first.