Ld222
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How about this, Barbra Ellen and the Guardian are wrong to trivalise Solange Knowles attack on Jay Z. It sends out the wrong message to young women and does nothing for female emancipation!!
Barbara Ellen on "female on male" violence
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How about this, Barbra Ellen and the Guardian are wrong to trivalise Solange Knowles attack on Jay Z. It sends out the wrong message to young women and does nothing for female emancipation!!
Not that I've read it but I'm aware or STR there's quite a bit of research looking at the variant rates of suicide. Both between men and women. and social / occupational groupings. If you're interested enogh in that stuff Ld222 have a Google, do some research. But bare in mind, people's experience and expression of emotional, psychological problems is largely contingent on the cultural meloire in which those people exist.
belboid
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they dont. You do
Ld222
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How is that? What ever her problem was with Jay Z, that was not the way to solve it.
belboid
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are you actually going for a 'worst poster ever' award? Because blandly stating 'I dont like violence' is the blandest statement possible. Made only slightly less bland by your having an image of a violent political organisation as your avatar.
Ld222
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Are you incapable of debating the points?
belboid
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I have done. Are you ever going to say something sensible, stop being a hypocrite, or are you just going to keep moving goalposts when your 'facts' are challenged, and repeating the blandest statement ever?
Ld222
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There has yet to one poster who has made a genuine attempt to debate the issue at hand!! Use make vague points and leave crude remarks then you just bugger off.
Ld222
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Are you capable of having a proper debate, Without nitpicking things that have no direct correlation to the argument?
Can you answer a simple question?
Did Solange Knowles handle the situation in the best possible manner? A simple yes or no answer now, don't be insulting me or anything.
belboid
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oh the irony
Ld222
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Point it out, show me where I'm wrong, friend!!
belboid
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thats what the debate boils down to? Did Solange Knowles handle the situation in the best way possible? What a brilliant way of drawing out the intricacies around and reasons for domestic violence.
belboid
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You are the one with the 'vague points' - so vague as to be entirely wrong in fact. But when you are corrected, you say 'so what?' Your entire argument is crude beyond belief.
And you clearly have no idea what 'correlation' means
Ld222
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You can't even answer a simple question. Solange could have handled that situation a lot better. There is no excuse for that sort of behaviour 'Male' or 'Female'. It is not the sort of behaviour we want young adults replicating!! It should not be passed off as drunken phase. The Guardian and Barbra Ellen should be ashamed of themselves for selling papers on the back of a violent drunken outburst, their getting as bad as the 'Mail'!!!
Ld222
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So you can't point out the 'irony'. Ffs, laughable!!
belboid
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I dont answer stupid, and irrelevant questions. As I said, if you think that is the key question on the issues raised in the article, you are a complete idiot.
I did. You clearly dont know what 'irony' means. You are doing the things you accuse other people of. Which is ironic.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
socratic, dramatic or allanis?
belboid
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dramatic comes closest, I suppose. In that all but one person here can see it.
Ld222
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Insult, insult, absolutely no substance in anything you said which would add any value to the debate whatsoever.
For crying out loud you can't even answer a simple question.
Which 'is' at the very crux of the entire debate. Ffs that's what instigated the debate in the first place!!
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
You only seem to consider something to be of substance if it agrees with you. I have pointed outy several falsities in your statements, yet you ignore them and just repeat your previous claims. That isnt a debate, its just you shouting out again and again.
Go back to your MRA mates and tell them you 'won' a debate on the internet, I'm sure there'll be very impressed with your sterling work.
Ld222
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Selling papers on the back of a drunken outburst, while tapping into feminist morality is socially irresponsible. Barbra Ellen is main concern is making money on the back of this, she doesn't care about the young woman who she is sending the wrong message to!!
belboid
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aah, so now we get to the crux of it. The evils of feminism.
Ld222
Active Member
There is nothing wrong with Feminism or female emancipation,
but Barbra Ellen defending this young women violent drunken outburst
under the pretense of Feminism to sell papers is hugely wrong.
It detracts from the Feminist cause, any real feminist could see through it a mile off.
Ld222
Active Member
The title of the article reads 'Solange and Jay-Z: it's simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman' for crying out loud!!
belboid
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Does that defend her actions? No. It says something else - very clearly indeed.
"None of this has anything to do with Solange and Jay-Z in the Met ball lift, but that's the point. Context becomes important when people start pondering simplistically: "Well, what if it had been a man attacking a woman?" and absurdly leave it at that."
If you object to absolutely all violence in absolutely every instance, fine. Thats your prerogative. But admit it has nothing to do with this case. And change your avatar.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
'real' feminists. Right.
Ld222
Active Member
The entire article is excusing what Solange did.
If you want to raise awareness of Domestic abuse,
you shouldn't use a the defence of drunken violent celebrity
FOM row as a precursor, probably the worse example possible
sending the wrong message to young impressionable woman.
It deserves a lot more sensitivity than that.
Now the Guardian lauding it up, that Solange record sales have gone through the roof!!
It is disturbing that anyone could thing that this episode does anything to further feminism.
In fact it could possibly put young women in further danger but portraying if you lash out you can get what you want.
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