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Barbara Ellen on "female on male" violence

Funny you should mention that, almost 5000 males in the UK committed suicide in 2012, compared to almost 1000 females, but sure men don't have feelings!!

That's almost 14 a week.

And that has precisely what to do with your opening post?

Sweet fuck-all!
 
Care to inform us what this curious logic is? The amount of attention given to male and female 'violence' is clearly the point of the article, no?

You're saying that because he hasn't posted on the subject of male on female violence in the past, this pre-emptively damages his case here. I think that sets an extremely weird precedent if we accept it. That's my point. It's not a tacit backing of his position.
 
I did read, or hear somewhere that instances of violence in society in falling, and they think its possibly because we no longer use lead in the petrol, the constant fumes of which used to send everyone into psychopathic rages I suppose.

Anyway, as you were...

Every time I read that instances of different sorts of crimes are falling, I always check the data, and what's clear is that reports of instances of crime are falling.
BTW, engine fumes don't have the necessary "send you doolally" component anymore. Haven't had for ages. It's getting so the only way you can get a lead fix nowadays is to go to a third-world country. :(
 
Are you still pestering me?

He's not pestering you. He asking (given that you posted a thread mentioning violence in the title) what you believe "violence" to be.
The fact that you're unwilling or unable to actually define your term is the problem, not his repetition of his enquiry.
 
BTW, engine fumes don't have the necessary "send you doolally" component anymore. Haven't had for ages. It's getting so the only way you can get a lead fix nowadays is to go to a third-world country. :(

That theory has as much chance of being a spurious correlation as it does of being true. You know the price of bread in the UK and Venice's water levels show a very strong link too historically right?
 
You're saying that because he hasn't posted on the subject of male on female violence in the past, this pre-emptively damages his case here. I think that sets an extremely weird precedent if we accept it. That's my point. It's not a tacit backing of his position.
But this is the entire point. Tossers like this bloke, getting furious about an article solely because it is about women not behaving how he thinks they should. They never say anything about male violence there was another such arsehole in the 'Guardian' thread).

Of course that doesnt prove anything about this silly little boy, but it is telling.
 
well that's a comprehensive reply, thanks
"Both in the common law and under statute, the actus reus of a common assault is committed when one person causes another to apprehend or fear that force is about to be used to cause some degree of personal contact and possible injury.

A battery is committed when the threatened force actually results in contact to the other and that contact was caused either intentionally or recklessly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_assault

Comprehensive enough?
 
That theory has as much chance of being a spurious correlation as it does of being true. You know the price of bread in the UK and Venice's water levels show a very strong link too historically right?
the correlation between the fall in cinema attendance and the rise in number of fridges in the home is actually closer than between the fall in cinema audiences and the rise in number of televisions in the home. Therefore people only went to the cinema to buy ice cream
 
"Both in the common law and under statute, the actus reus of a common assault is committed when one person causes another to apprehend or fear that force is about to be used to cause some degree of personal contact and possible injury.

A battery is committed when the threatened force actually results in contact to the other and that contact was caused either intentionally or recklessly."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_assault

Comprehensive enough?
aah wiki, who could ever argue with a wiki entry?

I strongly dispute, Your Honour, that Mr Jay-Z, in the presence of his bodyguard, had any fear of possible injury.
 
aah wiki, who could ever argue with a wiki entry?

I strongly dispute, Your Honour, that Mr Jay-Z, in the presence of his bodyguard, had any fear of possible injury.


Try this then...

Common Assault, contrary to section 39 Criminal Justice Act 1988
An offence of Common Assault is committed when a person either assaults another person or commits a battery.

An assault is committed when a person intentionally or recklessly causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force.

A battery is committed when a person intentionally and recklessly applies unlawful force to another.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/offences_against_the_person/#a07

Maybe the CPS don't know the law either? Maybe they copy/pasted it off a wiki?
 
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Fixed that for you... :)
 
Fixed that for you... :)
Put the spliff down and try reading without skipping any words out.

"causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force."

I strongly dispute, Your Honour, that Mr Jay-Z, in the presence of his bodyguard, had any fear of possible injury.
swap immediate infliction of unlawful force for injury,and you're home.
 
The clue is the the title of the article

'it's simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman'

It physically isn't the same, if we take the average size and weight of comparably-aged males and females of equal pugilistic skill. That's physiologically-undeniable - all other things being equal a man's blow will cause more harm and damage than an equivalent woman's blow.
 
That all you seem to be saying on the one hand is violence is bad. A point so banal I can't believe it's all you started this thread to say. OTOH you seem to think women can go around assaulting men with barely a raised eyebrow and are siting the aarticle in support. This is demonstrably rubbish and you've clearly wilfully or otherwise misread it. So being generous, I think you haven't really thought this through and are just posting defencive non sequetors. Or seemingly more likely you have some agenda that smacks of MRA crap.

So what is your point?

I kept getting confused with the MRA acronym.

Then I worked out that "Mens' Rights Activist" and "Mechanically-Recovered Arsehole" are semiotically identical.
 
once again, you are so good at arguing that you dont even have to make a point! gosh, you're good
I made my point and threw in a little bit of text from the CPS to back it up. Your inability to comprehend the legal definition of an assault doesn't mean it wasn't an assault.
Next time you see a copper, set about him/her the same way she did in the video and see whether or not you're right.
 
I made my point and threw in a little bit of text from the CPS to back it up. Your inability to comprehend the legal definition of an assault doesn't mean it wasn't an assault.
Next time you see a copper, set about him/her the same way she did in the video and see whether or not you're right.
you quickly googled summat, yes. And I replied. You have yet to tell me why you disagree with my reply. And then you have the cheek to tell me there's summat wrong with my comprehension!

Physician, heal thyself
 
you quickly googled summat, yes. And I replied. You have yet to tell me why you disagree with my reply. And then you have the cheek to tell me there's summat wrong with my comprehension!

Physician, heal thyself

Errr... because it's wrong? :hmm:

An inability to comprehend suggests there is 'summat wrong' with your comprehension.
 
Errr... because it's wrong? :hmm:

An inability to comprehend suggests there is 'summat wrong' with your comprehension.
as I said to the idiot LD222, repeating yourself doesnt make something true.

I suspect you dont know what 'apprehend' means.
 
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