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Barbara Ellen on "female on male" violence

you should learn how to make an argument on the internet, you are failing very very badly. even ld222 is making a better hash of it than you.

You really dont know what 'apprehend' means, do you? Perhaps a dictionary might help? http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/
One of us obviously doesn't know what it means. I'll give you two guesses as to which one of us it is... (but you'll still probably get it wrong :facepalm:)
 
Confused ...

She hit him didnt she?
It was not in self defense but out of temper.
That is assault.
No ifs no buts.
in law there is no such thing as 'hit.' The relevant section is, as the beherbed one posted, "causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force." The laying of a hand upon another person is not, necessarily assault (or you could be done for simply touching another person). It is to do with the apprehension of the other person, it is a 'psychic' matter (I shit you not!). i would dispute that Mr Z had any apprehensions, given the presence of his swift acting bodyguard, although were he (the bodyguard) not there, then an assault may very well have occurred - as I said earlier.
 
One of us obviously doesn't know what it means. I'll give you two guesses as to which one of us it is... (but you'll still probably get it wrong :facepalm:)
I'm guessing it's the person who keeps making vague statements backed up solely by wiki articles, not the one who has bothered to spell out their opinion.

Just to be clear, as you have such a problem with basic comprehension, that's you that is.
 
It physically isn't the same, if we take the average size and weight of comparably-aged males and females of equal pugilistic skill. That's physiologically-undeniable - all other things being equal a man's blow will cause more harm and damage than an equivalent woman's blow.

Men don't usually wear stilettos
 
various judges will point out that the law on common assault is hopelessly confused - some argue deliberately so. Which is why they get paid shitloads to have arguments like this in court.
 
I'm guessing it's the person who keeps making vague statements backed up solely by wiki articles, not the one who has bothered to spell out their opinion.

Just to be clear, as you have such a problem with basic comprehension, that's you that is.

You can't even answer a simple question.

Insult, deflect.

Just a troll with no idea!!
 
i have answered your questions, why are you refusing to answer mine?

No you haven't. You have done every thing but answer. It would be almost laughable, if your weren't deflecting from such serious issue.

At this stage I can only conclude that your trying to boost your post toll.
 
You''re not very bright, are you, belboid?
Do you think while Mr Z was being hit he didn't think he might be hit?
 
No you haven't. You have done every thing but answer. It would be almost laughable, if your weren't deflecting from such serious issue.

At this stage I can only conclude that your trying to boost your post toll.
the serious issue is the one about how female acts of 'violence' are given more media coverage than similar male acts. That is clear from the article.

Your points are based on a complete mis-reading of the article.

Seriously, does the fact tht everyone on here has said you've misread it not make you even toy with the possibility that you are wrong?
 
in law there is no such thing as 'hit.' The relevant section is, as the beherbed one posted, "causes another to apprehend the immediate infliction of unlawful force." The laying of a hand upon another person is not, necessarily assault (or you could be done for simply touching another person). It is to do with the apprehension of the other person, it is a 'psychic' matter (I shit you not!). i would dispute that Mr Z had any apprehensions, given the presence of his swift acting bodyguard, although were he (the bodyguard) not there, then an assault may very well have occurred - as I said earlier.

Guess what?
Any unwanted touch can be assault.
She didn't brush off him.
She hit him and got her stiletto shoe off so she could spike him...

The fact he didn't press charges is a family matter....However there is no doubt she struck him.
 
here they are again. Again

If you are so bothered about violence between the sexes, why have you never raised the issue before?

And, please, point out precisely where Ellen says 'its okay.'

Simple there has never been article defending the violence before,

sending the wrong message to impressionalbe young people

The entire is a defence of Solange actions.
 
Simple there has never been article defending the violence before,

sending the wrong message to impressionalbe young people

The entire is a defence of Solange actions.
there have been lots of articles defending violence before. Thousands.

And I said before, 'the whole thing' doesnt count - as everyone else agrees it says something else. So you need to show EXACTLY where in the article as says 'its okay' to act in the was she did. Where? Precisely.
 
there have been lots of articles defending violence before. Thousands.

And I said before, 'the whole thing' doesnt count - as everyone else agrees it says something else. So you need to show EXACTLY where in the article as says 'its okay' to act in the was she did. Where? Precisely.

She doesn't merit that violent attack as assault, that completely sends out the wrong message!!
 
She doesn't merit that violent attack as assault, that completely sends out the wrong message!!
she says it was something to be ashamed of (yes, she does) and a silly thing to do. She says that it does not technically count as assault (and I think she's probably right). But just because something isn't assault, it doesn't mean its okay. The article is about the discrepancy between media coverage of men's and women's actions, and the disparity between the two.
 
What if you were hit by a woman?
What would you call it?
depends. Upon the level of force used, and whether it led me to be in fear of injury (however minor). It could be assault, it could be something more, it could be something less. It depends.

So what would the police have called it?
i don't know. The courts would be more important, seeing as they decide on guilt or innocence. I suspect it would be threatening behaviour.
 
depends. Upon the level of force used, and whether it led me to be in fear of injury (however minor). It could be assault, it could be something more, it could be something less. It depends.


i don't know. The courts would be more important, seeing as they decide on guilt or innocence. I suspect it would be threatening behaviour.

But Solange did this in the public eye. It's on camera too. Apparently the police can still charge her with third degree assault even if nobody presses charges. No judge in their right mind could give anything other than a verdict of guilty.

What if a woman hit you on the head and you didn't feel threatened but you ended up having a haematoma and died a few hours later?
Would that not be assault leading to grievous bodily harm followed by manslaughter?
What if a judge decided "the woman didnt mean to hit you that hard and she was only 5' tall so you" who might be 6' 4" " you must have a weak skull because this little weak woman couldn't possibly cause physical damage"...

The law is pretty clear on what constitutes various types of assault and gender should not be a factor in determining whether someone should be charged.
 
But Solange did this in the public eye. It's on camera too. Apparently the police can still charge her with third degree assault even if nobody presses charges. No judge in their right mind could give anything other than a verdict of guilty.
third degree assault is an american thing, and I've been talking about UK law (as was, Dr H, and as was Barbara E, as far as I can tell).

What if a woman hit you on the head and you didn't feel threatened but you ended up having a haematoma and died a few hours later?
Would that not be assault leading to grievous bodily harm followed by manslaughter?
What if a judge decided "the woman didnt mean to hit you that hard and she was only 5' tall so you" who might be 6' 4" " you must have a weak skull because this little weak woman couldn't possibly cause physical damage"...
that's pretty much what the judge did say when the police murdered Blair Peach!

Of course the facts tell a different story. And actually causing an injury removes the whole question of 'apprehension,' so it isnt the same thing.

The law is pretty clear on what constitutes various types of assault and gender should not be a factor in determining whether someone should be charged.
Sorry, but no. The law is explicitly - and in the opinion of many judges deliberately - vague. Umpteen factors do come into it, including the size of the people involved. What if, for example, I said hello to a big beefy mate with a hearty slap on the back. That wouldn't count as assault. But if I used the same degree of force upon a 3 year old child, then I might very well be. It isn't the gender of the people involved that matters, its the relative force, and fear thereof.
 
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The everyday fear of violence every woman has to cope with
Men's rights internet forums are seeking to distance themselves from last week's mass murder by a misogynist in California – but it didn't happen in a vacuum

Every woman I know has been shouted at by a stranger, has been called a whore, bitch or slut, whispered to, hissed at, threatened, pressed against, rubbed. Like the time I was a teenager on a busy tube and felt the person next to me work his finger into my short sleeve to stroke my breast, or the time the person in the seat opposite, hiding his crotch from the school party to his right, gestured expertly for me to watch him rub it, or the time we were chased by a flasher in the woods outside school.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeands...t-forums-distance-from-misogynist-mass-murder
 
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