Barbara Ellen on "female on male" violence

[belboid]

No it doesnt, you are being deliberately dishonest.

 

[Ld222]

'real' feminists. Right.

Are you saying this sort crap somehow contributes to Feminism?

Solange Knowles' digital sales rise after Jay Z scrap
Sales of tracks have increased 233% after CCTV footage showed Solange allegedly hitting her brother-in-law
http://www.theguardian.com/music/20...digital-sales-rise-leaked-jay-z-beyonce-video

What are the 'Guardian' trying to tell us here, that as if somehow FOM violence some how pays off.

 

[belboid]

What do the Faculty of Occupational Medicine have to do with anything?

 

[Ld222]

No it doesnt, you are being deliberately dishonest.

It takes to the third paragraph before Barbra Ellen states 'Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened'

She doesn't even consider this violent episode as assault.

 

[belboid]

It takes to the third paragraph before Barbra Ellen states 'Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened'

She doesn't even consider this violent episode as assault.

you're only just reading to the end, arent you?

It wasn't, according to legal definitions, assault. Simple as that.

"Ideally, no one should be attacking someone else."

But just ignore the bits you dont like, and continue to misread the piece.

 

[Ld222]

What do the Faculty of Occupational Medicine have to do with anything?

You being pedantic again. Anyway goodnite and sweet dreams, perhaps you she through the likes of Barbra Ellen yet!!

 

[belboid]

While female violence gets a disproportionate amount of attention, it's male violence that remains dominant.

 

[Ld222]

While female violence gets a disproportionate amount of attention, it's male violence that remains dominant.

Tell that to Barbra Ellen, using these sort of stories to sell her articles. Instead giving the issues the proper platform they need. She stirs it up even more. Putting more young women at risk by portraying that FOM violence as okay. The Guardian compounding that FOM violence as okay by showing that Solange record sale have went through the roof since the incident.

Is this what the left have come to. Defending this crap.

 

[belboid]

No one has said its okay. You repeatedly claiming something does not make it true.

 

[belboid]

Are we going to have to put up with this all half-term?

 

[Ld222]

you're only just reading to the end, arent you?

It wasn't, according to legal definitions, assault. Simple as that.

"Ideally, no one should be attacking someone else."

But just ignore the bits you dont like, and continue to misread the piece.

So punching, kicking or even firing a stiletto at someone isn't assault now?

 

[belboid]

So punching, kicking or even firing a stiletto at someone isn't assault now?

'firing a stiletto'? If you want to be taken seriously, try making sense.

And, no, throwing your leg in someones direction whilst being held back by someone else far enough away so that the leg cant make contact doesnt count as assault. Which is why no newspaper that I saw said she 'assaulted' him. But it is why the evil Ellen wrote "Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened"

If you are so bothered about violence between the sexes, why have you never raised the issue before?

 

[belboid]

And, please, point out precisely where Ellen says 'its okay.' Where she actually uses those words (or ones that mean the same thing). Saying 'the whole thing' doesnt cut it, as no one (on this thread at least) agree's with your interpretation.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

And, no, throwing your leg in someones direction whilst being held back by someone else far enough away so that the leg cant make contact doesnt count as assault. Which is why no newspaper that I saw said she 'assaulted' him. But it is why the evil Ellen wrote "Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened"

Did you watch the video? She assaulted him (battery in the US). You don't even have to make contact for it to be assault in the UK.

 

[Ld222]

And, please, point out precisely where Ellen says 'its okay.' Where she actually uses those words (or ones that mean the same thing). Saying 'the whole thing' doesnt cut it.

The open line of the article
'Solange and Jay-Z: it's simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman'

'Men are bigger than women. And they're not routinely the least bit scared of us'

Then she alludes to reason to what 'J Zay' might have done to deserve such a hammering. etc, etc

With no knowledge of the 'ins' and 'outs' of the incident, Barbra Ellen has went out of her way to 'fellon set' Jay Z.

The worst type of journalism, with one foul swope of her pen Barbra Ellen has turned the victim into the aggressor.

The Guardian making Solange out to a hero. Disgraceful stuff for a broadsheet.

as no one (on this thread at least) agree's with your interpretation.

You really haven't much to go on when you have instate auld where singing the same 'Hymn sheet' argument.

Perhaps haven't seen the tirade of abuse 'I suffered' for even daring to question 'Ellen's' article, or her motives, el-ahrairah Suggesting I commit suicide etc, etc

 

[trabuquera]

Disordered punctuation is a sign of a disordered mind. Inserting random 'apostrophes' and typos in your posts won't make them make any more sense, or make any more people agree with you.

Also, if you think what you've had here is a "tirade of abuse" then you really don't know where you are. By urban standards this thread has been barely a light tickling.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

The open line of the article
'Solange and Jay-Z: it's simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman'

'Men are bigger than women. And they're not routinely the least bit scared of us'

Then she alludes to reason to what 'J Zay' might have done to deserve such a hammering. etc, etc

With no knowledge of the 'ins' and 'outs' of the incident, Barbra Ellen has went out of her way to 'fellon set' Jay Z.

The worst type of journalism, with one foul swope of her pen Barbra Ellen has turned the victim into the aggressor.

The Guardian making Solange out to a hero. Disgraceful stuff for a broadsheet.



You really haven't much to go on when you have instate auld where singing the same 'Hymn sheet' argument.

Perhaps haven't seen the tirade of abuse 'I suffered' for even daring to question 'Ellen's' article, or her motives, el-ahrairah Suggesting I commit suicide etc, etc

Yeah but, on the other hand, hotdog sausage roll, jelly bean Nicklas Bendtner.

 

[Ld222]

'firing a stiletto'? If you want to be taken seriously, try making sense.

And, no, throwing your leg in someones direction whilst being held back by someone else far enough away so that the leg cant make contact doesnt count as assault. Which is why no newspaper that I saw said she 'assaulted' him. But it is why the evil Ellen wrote "Perhaps it could have been assault had the bodyguard not intervened"

If you are so bothered about violence between the sexes, why have you never raised the issue before?

Watch the video again!!!

The worst part of this is the message it sends out to impressionable young woman, that men are stronger, that they should expect a odd slap or even to be attacked now and again. For all intensive proposes It might even raise your profile!!

Not all young couples have the luxury of a bodyguard, what if sort of altercation was to happen in a house with young children.

Barbra Ellen and the Guardian article's are socially irresponsible, raising a very important issues on the back of all the wrong reasons. Solely to sell the paper. Gutter journalism!!!

 

[8ball]

So punching, kicking or even firing a stiletto at someone isn't assault now?

Firing a Stiletto SS-19 missile at someone goes beyond assault somewhat.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

Firing a Stiletto SS-19 missile at someone goes beyond assault somewhat.

Nah, that's just posturing

 

[belboid]

Did you watch the video? She assaulted him (battery in the US). You don't even have to make contact for it to be assault in the UK.

yup, and you're wrong

 

[belboid]

The open line of the article
'Solange and Jay-Z: it's simply not the same if a man is hit by a woman'

'Men are bigger than women. And they're not routinely the least bit scared of us'

Then she alludes to reason to what 'J Zay' might have done to deserve such a hammering. etc, etc

With no knowledge of the 'ins' and 'outs' of the incident, Barbra Ellen has went out of her way to 'fellon set' Jay Z.

The worst type of journalism, with one foul swope of her pen Barbra Ellen has turned the victim into the aggressor.

The Guardian making Solange out to a hero. Disgraceful stuff for a broadsheet.



You really haven't much to go on when you have instate auld where singing the same 'Hymn sheet' argument.

Perhaps haven't seen the tirade of abuse 'I suffered' for even daring to question 'Ellen's' article, or her motives, el-ahrairah Suggesting I commit suicide etc, etc

None of which is actually an answer to what I wrote - funny that. The opening line says two things are not the same, that is all. And you know what? They're not! Rape is not the same as murder. Do you interpret that as me saying that rape is okay? Or that murder is okay? Because that is clearly not the case.

I cant say anything about what else you wrote because it is pure gibberish.

 

[belboid]

I repeat my two questions to you Ld222

If you are so bothered about violence between the sexes, why have you never raised the issue before?

And, please, point out precisely where Ellen says 'its okay.'

 

[Favelado]

I repeat my two questions to you Ld222

If you are so bothered about violence between the sexes, why have you never raised the issue before?

And, please, point out precisely where Ellen says 'its okay.'

The second question seems crucial, the first utterly irrelevant.

 

[belboid]

The second question seems crucial, the first utterly irrelevant.

well you should follow the debate better then - it is actually the far more important one.

It is actually the whole point of the article - "While female violence gets a disproportionate amount of attention, it's male violence that remains dominant." That's why I ask the question. This idiot takes massive umbrage at one womans actions (Ellens) yet has said absolutely nothing about the far more frequent and far more serious violence carried out by men every single day.

 

[Dr_Herbz]

yup, and you're wrong

Would you mind pointing out which part is wrong?

 

[Favelado]

well you should follow the debate better then - it is actually the far more important one.

It is actually the whole point of the article - "While female violence gets a disproportionate amount of attention, it's male violence that remains dominant." That's why I ask the question. This idiot takes massive umbrage at one womans actions (Ellens) yet has said absolutely nothing about the far more frequent and far more serious violence carried out by men every single day.

There's a very curious logic to what you're implying, and also a bizarre precendent to be followed for posting on the forum. I have followed the debate just fine, thanks.

 

[belboid]

Would you mind pointing out which part is wrong?

I've watched the video, I disagree that it counts as assault.

 

[ViolentPanda]

She is down playing FOM violence and well you know it.

No, she's elucidating an instance from personal experience.

Unprovoked violence is wrong regardless of gender.

Is it? I'd say that sometimes unprovoked violence is the right thing, regardless of gender. People who mouth catch-all rules like "unprovoked violence is wrong" tend to be tripped up by those same rules.

I never claimed you did.

If that is the point she is trying to put across why not just called like it is.

Duh! Journalist!

How can it be excusable to attack some one unprovoked?

I hope you're not a copper, because you haven't got the first clue about investigating motive, have you?

 

[belboid]

There's a very curious logic to what you're implying, and also a bizarre precendent to be followed for posting on the forum. I have followed the debate just fine, thanks.

Care to inform us what this curious logic is? The amount of attention given to male and female 'violence' is clearly the point of the article, no?