knife violence and murders among youth

[extra dry]

I know one contriversul way would be, give every law abiding and able well trained indivuals on urban, guns and ammo.

A school vfriend of mine was slahed a couple of days ago in Darlington, police told him to keep it quiet, as they have a lead or two.

 

[pbsmooth]

yeah, that's worked really well in the US.

 

[extra dry]

yeah, that's worked really well in the US.

Knife crime is everywhere, timeless, goes back to sticks and flint.

Best solve the needs/drivers for carrying, treat survivours and preps as in need of social/mental/positive challenges stuff other than violence.

 

[likesfish]

yeah, that's worked really well in the US.

tbf they aren't well trained or trained at all. remember on another board somebody asking for help as they brought a brand new AK 47 semiautomatic rifle but couldn't figure out how to make it go bang he'd managed to buy the wrong type of 7.62 ammo didn't even understand there were different types. Fortunately somebody lived nearby and took him to a range and installed some basic idea of safety in him

 

[Saul Goodman]

There are some proper nasty cunts out there. They've always been out there but it seems there are a lot more of them these days. Maybe nastiness propagates through the internet, I dunno, but in the 90s, the craze was to carry a Stanley knife with 2 blades in it and a matchstick between the blades, so the wound would have to be sewn up between the 2 outer lacerations and would leave a proper scar.
SIck fucks have always existed, and it seems they're always playing one-upmanship. Acid attacks are a prime example.

 

[Humberto]

We are (although hopefully to a lesser extent nowadays) a society of racism. Of classism and formerly one of colonialism. This all needs to be thoroughly disowned rather than cherished. This is a state/society in which Windrush immigrants are told to 'go home', with little repercussion. This supposedly in a liberal democracy. I don't want to get into an argument about agency and criminal responsibility, not least because I'm not the one to attempt it. I do however think its fair to say that some sections of society, class stratas and indeed ethnicities are considered more important/worthy of attention than others.

If for example someone has a cultural background and an unusual or unfamiliar name to say, Tory voting baby-boomers, then they still carry that legacy of discrimination. Of that unabandoned British exceptionalism. So to bring it to the point, there are massive systemic and societal problems that are unreasonably unaddressed for fear of 'political correctness gone mad' narratives; and that doesn't give so many youngsters a fair chance, fair treatment. Decency is lacking in many quarters.

 

[Saul Goodman]

...Decency.

And therein lies the rub!
Decency? You think that anyone in power, be it labour/conservative, whatever, give the slightest flying fuck about 'US', the people? All we are is numbers and stats. That's what we need to realise.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I made the original point, & deliberately swerved the word 'white' while highlighting class. The poor sod from Manchester Grammar School hasn't made headlines because of his (absent) whiteness - he's made headlines because he attended a top private school & was murdered on a road where every house costs around a million pounds. I understand why it's important to post counter-examples to challenge lazy thinking, easy narratives. But I stand by the original assertion - the victim in Hale has created more headlines, more calls for action, than previous murders in contexts where headline writers & politicians expect this to happen, & even apparently tolerate it happening.

Once the slaughter crosses class boundaries then the debate takes on a greater urgency for sure. Race and class has problematised the pathetic debate over knife crime for ages.

Liberals are terrified to inquire into some of the blindingly obvious questions that arise for fear of committing racist thought crimes and instead limit their concerns to the impact of the return of stop and search whilst demanding more police. Conservatives can safely ignore the issue on the basis that its black kids in drug gangs in cities like Manchester and Birmingham. We had something like one fatal murder and three stabbing a week here last year and it largely went on without anyone outside of the communities impacted noticing and the media ascribing every death as ‘gang’ related

 

[likesfish]

stanley knives and the traditional straight razor are horrible weapons but slashing is horrible and leaves scars stabbing is much more lethal though.

 

[Pickman's model]

Once the slaughter crosses class boundaries then the debate takes on a greater urgency for sure. Race and class has problematised the pathetic debate over knife crime for ages.

Liberals are terrified to inquire into some of the blindingly obvious questions that arise for fear of committing racist thought crimes and instead limit their concerns to the impact of the return of stop and search whilst demanding more police. Conservatives can safely ignore the issue on the basis that its black kids in drug gangs in cities like Manchester and Birmingham. We had something like one fatal murder and three stabbing a week here last year and it largely went on without anyone outside of the communities impacted noticing and the media ascribing every death as ‘gang’ related

According to Knife crime deaths at highest level since WW2 there've been 72 murders in brum in the last five years. So I'd be interested to know where you derive your one a week from

 

[Pickman's model]

stanley knives and the traditional straight razor are horrible weapons but slashing is horrible and leaves scars stabbing is much more lethal though.

I still remember seeing a cop just outside brockwell park at the 20/10/90 anti-poll tax march who had a scar from the right hand corner of his mouth all up his cheek to his ear

 

[Part 2]

How common is it to get bail on a murder charge?

Teen charged with murdering grammar school pupil Yousef Makki released on bail

 

[likesfish]

not very having rich parents helps. thats a seriously fucked up case posh kids tend not to murder one another.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Almost unheard of.

 

[Part 2]

Just been asking my lad about it. It all sounds a very odd set of circumstances if what's being said is to be believed.

 

[Poi E]

Treat knife crime like a disease - Javid

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Just been asking my lad about it. It all sounds a very odd set of circumstances if what's being said is to be believed.

Kids at the school are being warned of severe consequences if they speculate on social media about this case. Possibly best we heed that too.

 

[Pickman's model]

Cue Javid mangling Friday I'm in love

 

[Pickman's model]

Kids at the school are being warned of severe consequences if they speculate on social media about this case. Possibly best we heed that too.

Yeh after all the rich can afford libel lawyers

 

[likesfish]

I'm pretty sure once you've murdered one of your classmates suing for libels going to be hard unless they accuse you of being a liberal Democrat as well

 

[Part 2]

Kids at the school are being warned of severe consequences if they speculate on social media about this case. Possibly best we heed that too.

Oh for sure, I had no plans.

 

[Pickman's model]

Smokeandsteam where do you get your rather higher figures from?

 

[Treacle Toes]

Came across this on iplyer this evening.

EastEnders: The Real Stories
BBC three uncovers the real stories behind the landmark EastEnders storyline, as told by six families who have each lost a child to knife crime.

6 episodes available.
BBC iPlayer - EastEnders: The Real Stories

 

[Smokeandsteam]

700 plus child victims of knife crime in the West Midlands and over 3,000 reported knife incidents last year. Some at primary school. Sobering facts for the ‘it’s just youth culture, move along’ proponents. Difficult questions too fo those who argue ‘get more cops on the streets’ and addresses the motives and drivers of thie pathology:

Revealed: 700 child knife crime victims in West Midlands last year

 

[Poi E]

England might do well to look north: How Scotland stemmed the tide of knife crime

 

[Pickman's model]

England might do well to look north: How Scotland stemmed the tide of knife crime

Yeh there was considerable discussion of the Scottish approach here some months ago

 

[Pickman's model]

700 plus child victims of knife crime in the West Midlands and over 3,000 reported knife incidents last year. Some at primary school. Sobering facts for the ‘it’s just youth culture, move along’ proponents. Difficult questions too fo those who argue ‘get more cops on the streets’ and addresses the motives and drivers of thie pathology:

Revealed: 700 child knife crime victims in West Midlands last year

Could you say where you got your something like one fatal murder a week from in post 668 pls?

 

[GarveyLives]

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[GarveyLives]

Footage of recent activity by Operation Shutdown:

17 April 2019:

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10 May 2019:

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[Pickman's model]

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Smokeandsteam where do you get your rather higher figures from?

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