Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Nice one]

A tattoo used to be a sign of having served at sea or been inside. Now they're badges of conformism.

true but also the crown heads of europe took to it with a passion - by the end of the 19th century at least one in 5 members of the british aristocracy had a tattoo (Churchill's mum anyone).

It was a badge of conformism way before students came along.

 

[audiotech]

Prison tattoos are very distinguishable from the run of the mill fashion variety.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Well if you will live in the grim northwest....

Nowt wrong with Manchester, apart from the students.

 

[Lo Siento.]

It isn't just my opinion that privately educated people are wankers though, is it?

In fact it is the opinion of everyone, except those who went to private school themselves. Such universally held opinions are generally accorded the status of objective truth.

IME it's a pretty widespread opinion among a substantial minority of people who attended private schools...

 

[Captain Hurrah]

 

[Orang Utan]

Nowt wrong with Manchester, apart from the students.

Were you a student once? Slagging off students en masse is the same as slagging off young people en masse. It's a bit sad that normally intelligent and progressive posters are practicing such bigotry.

 

[_angel_]

Nowt wrong with Manchester, apart from the students.

It's Manchester. Where do you start with the wrongness?

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Bigotry? You soft get.

I can't afford to go to university right now. I don't slag all students off (an ex was one when we met, I have friends, co-workers etc who are currently studying), but come on ...

 

[The39thStep]

Were you a student once? Slagging off students en masse is the same as slagging off young people en masse. It's a bit sad that normally intelligent and progressive posters are practicing such bigotry.

is it really?

 

[goldenecitrone]

It's Manchester. Where do you start with the wrongness?

The Mancunians. A right bunch of tossers.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

It's Manchester. Where do you start with the wrongness?

Well, when it comes to Yorkshire Puds I quite like Sheffield. Leeds was a bit shite when I was last there. Actually, come to think of it the last time I was there, I was with the nihilist Herbert Read and your hubby, sitting in a Cuba-themed pub.

 

[_angel_]

Well, when it comes to Yorkshire Puds I quite like Sheffield. Leeds was a bit shite when I was last there. Actually, come to think of it the last time I was there, I was with the nihilist Herbert Read and your hubby, sitting in a Cuba-themed pub.

That's closed now

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Good. It was fucking shit.

 

[_angel_]

Good. It was fucking shit.

Cheaper than the alternative for spanishy/cuban food. I reckon him stopping going to Leeds Met made it close down.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Has that try-hard Sushi bar closed down?

 

[_angel_]

Has that try-hard Sushi bar closed down?

It isn't there anymore and hasn't been for ages. The Indian place that followed it died also.
There was not one fucking thing I could order in that place except banana split... even most of the ice cream was made out of sushi!

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Anyway: (((students)))

 

[love detective]

yeah, enough discussing the merits of various northern eateries, this class war isn't going to fight itself you know

it's taking a big enough hit as it is what with all this stalking of that very private individual laurie penny, can't afford any more distractions

focus

 

[Captain Hurrah]

on the fanbase.

 

[_angel_]

yeah, enough discussing the merits of various northern eateries, this class war isn't going to fight itself you know

it's taking a big enough hit as it is what with all this stalking of that very private individual laurie penny, can't afford any more distractions

focus

failed leeds eateries need a thread of their own!

 

[Orang Utan]

is it really?

Yes, age resenting youth.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

I'm not that old.

 

[Nice one]

 

[LLETSA]

true but also the crown heads of europe took to it with a passion - by the end of the 19th century at least one in 5 members of the british aristocracy had a tattoo (Churchill's mum anyone).

It was a badge of conformism way before students came along.

It's far from being just students now though, or even mainly students. Since the advent of the 'body art' business scam, tattoos have become so widespread and over the top that whatever impact they once had has been totally wiped out. You see people with entire limbs totally covered with some huge infantile picture. Deep orange and vivid red inks on already orangey skin. Female bank clerks, dressed in formal attire, ridiculously have tattoos peeping out from the waist bands of their trousers or skirts, or above their collars. Somebody's old granny on the tills in Asda has a neck tattoo for fuck's sake.

Like I said, something has clearly gone awry.

 

[LLETSA]

Nowt wrong with Manchester, apart from the students.

I haven't lived in Manchester, or anywhere in the north-west, since 1998.

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Somebody's old granny on the tills in Asda has a neck tattoo for fuck's sake.

This.

 

[_angel_]

I haven't lived in Manchester, or anywhere in the north-west, since 1998.

Where the fuck are you then?

 

[Orang Utan]

It's far from being just students now though, or even mainly students. It's so widespread and over the top that whatever impact a tattoo once had has been totally wiped out. You see people with entire limbs totally covered with some huge infantile picture. Deep orange and vivid red inks on already orangey skin. Female bank clerks, dressed in formal attire ridiculously have tattoos peeping out from the waist bands of their trousers or skirts, or above their collars. Somebody's old granny on the tills in Asda has a neck tattoo for fuck's sake.

Like I said, something has clearly gone awry.

Get over it grandad. It's no skin off your nose.

 

[_angel_]

sexists

 

[Captain Hurrah]

Ageist.