Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Idris2002]

Consider me stupid (not hard really) - explain plz.

No, there was an old poster on here and MATB - and known to some people here in real life, if memory serves - who sometimes went by the handle "The Black Hand" and at other times as "Attica". He was an (in)famous legend in his own lunchtime - let's just leave it at that.

 

[TruXta]

No, there was an old poster on here and MATB - and known to some people here in real life, if memory serves - who sometimes went by the handle "The Black Hand" and at other times as "Attica". He was an (in)famous legend in his own lunchtime - let's just leave it at that.

Ah.... a small and dusty bell rings in the back of my noggin. Thanks.

 

[cesare]

No, there was an old poster on here and MATB - and known to some people here in real life, if memory serves - who sometimes went by the handle "The Black Hand" and at other times as "Attica". He was an (in)famous legend in his own lunchtime - let's just leave it at that.

He lasted posted here on 9 July 2013, still by his The Black Hand handle.

 

[DotCommunist]

He lasted posted here on 9 July 2013, still by his The Black Hand handle.

about the durham miners gala probably

 

[Idris2002]

He lasted posted here on 9 July 2013, still by his The Black Hand handle.

The legend lunches on!

 

[barney_pig]

A posting stalwart, who has never been afraid of word counts

 

[The39thStep]

http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2009/03/423346.html

I think we had a recording of an introductory lecture at one time

 

[The39thStep]

Trevor Bark is also right that the British left is fossilised and conservative in tactics and strategy. 200 years ago, the working class was more unruly -one thinks of General Ludd or Lewislewis making a speech on a suitcase that he had reclaimed from the bailiffs and then his comrades dipping an old shirt in calf’s blood and hanging it on a stick on which they impaled a loaf of bread.

 

[J Ed]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/362140951474470912

Being aggressively anti-union can be mitigated by employing enough people in your 'stable of bloggers 'to be considered inclusive. Also, sucking up to your aggressively anti-union box no doubt is helpful for career progression. Blergh.

 

[frogwoman]

stable of bloggers lol really ??

 

[J Ed]

Makes it sound like a weird sex thing

 

[YouSir]

stable of bloggers lol really ??

Intersectionality always starts with a strong pimp hand on your blog.

 

[J Ed]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/362142216757583872 Imagine a future in which we all work for free in workhouses under the watchful gaze of an inclusive stable of intersectionality moderators where women are forced to monetize their hotness but only for the minority of people who are educated to be able to properly understand that week's intersectional diktat.

 

[Idris2002]

Intersectionality always starts with a strong pimp hand on your blog.

"The love of a pimp is not like that of an ordinary man".

 

[YouSir]

"The love of a pimp is not like that of an ordinary man".

"The love of a radical Left Wing journalist is not like that of an ordinary journalist"

I'd ask Laurie Penny if I could be her bottom bitch but I may have too much privilege to check first.

 

[Idris2002]

Further Amanda Palmer revelations (NSFW):

 

[DotCommunist]

rank patronage is a little bit communisn't

 

[Bakunin]

"The love of a radical Left Wing journalist is not like that of an ordinary journalist"

I'd ask Laurie Penny if I could be her bottom bitch but I may have too much privilege to check first.

'You fancy sleeping on top tonight..?'

'But there's only one bunk.'

'You said a mouthful...'

 

[newbie]

How long were Olde Tyme propaganda pamphlets? Bet you they weren't 20K words long.

I've got boxes of them. They were such an important way to share ideas. They're mostly in the loft, not all though, some are still in the wild.

These are the first three pamphlets I found.

"A State of Siege Policing the coalfields in the first 6 weeks of the miners strike". Cost £2 in June 1984. 66 A5 pages, rather dense print, not many photos

"A Tax on Peace Conscientious Objectors & the Taxpayer" £1.50, no obvious date. 50 A5 pages, only 1 photo

"Without a Trace a forensics manual for you and me" £2 no date 32 A4 pages. This one's been dtp'd so a few graphics/photos.

e2a according to the site Cesare linked, 18,000 words of 10pt Courier is 32 A4 pages. The miners strike pamphlet is somewhat smaller than 10pt so 66xA5 is probably over 20k words. It's not an unusually thick or dense pamphlet though.

 

[TruXta]

I've got boxes of them. They were such an important way to share ideas. They're mostly in the loft, not all though, some are still in the wild.

These are the first three pamphlets I found.

"A State of Siege Policing the coalfields in the first 6 weeks of the miners strike". Cost £2 in June 1984. 66 A5 pages, rather dense print, not many photos

"A Tax on Peace Conscientious Objectors & the Taxpayer" £1.50, no obvious date. 50 A5 pages, only 1 photo

"Without a Trace a forensics manual for you and me" £2 no date 32 A4 pages. This one's been dtp'd so a few graphics/photos.

e2a according to the site Cesare linked, 18,000 words of 10pt Courier is 32 A4 pages. The miners strike pamphlet is somewhat smaller than 10pt so 66xA5 is probably over 20k words. It's not an unusually thick or dense pamphlet though.

I stand corrected then. Which doesn't mean I retract my overall point wrt Delroy's argument.

 

[newbie]

I can't imagine how long it'd take to read them! My attention span has undoubtedly been dwindling since the late 80s when I first got a modem, and I don't suppose I've bought a pamphlet in the best part of 20 years. Call me shallow but I've no great regrets about that, I'd far rather read an argument about something, with both/many sides being put and torn to shreds than a single sustained view, however well thought through and developed. I feel I learn more.

 

[frogwoman]

http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/181231/why-i-check-both-white-and-jewish/

wtf is this

when all I have to do is close a door to make it seem like I am bulldozing an entire city? Simply by being white, I am aware that I trigger other people’s pain.

Read more: http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/181231/why-i-check-both-white-and-jewish/#ixzz2acvyFAVf

 

[frogwoman]

All over in this country, my skin color grants me access and prompts trauma for others; while I involuntarily gentrify my Brooklyn neighborhood, my skin color actively upset a man on a rainy Saturday morning.

really??

 

[andysays]

wtf is this

There's possibly an interesting issue in there somewhere, but it's difficult to uncover it from under the

"naive-but-well-meaning priviledged young woman has sudden confrontation with a side of the real world her extensive education hasn't prepared her for"​

stuff.

What do you make of it?

 

[Idris2002]

Simply by being white, I am aware that I trigger other people’s pain.

Whiteman - worst superhero ever.

 

[frogwoman]

There's possibly an interesting issue in there somewhere, but it's difficult to uncover it from under the

"naive-but-well-meaning priviledged young woman has sudden confrontation with a side of the real world her extensive education hasn't prepared her for"​

stuff.

What do you make of it?

I find such stuff quite disturbing to be honest.

 

[butchersapron]

really??

Liberal suicide vs Huey Newtons revolutionary suicide. Sacrifice yourself, liquidate yourself.

 

[Nice one]

http://blogs.forward.com/sisterhood-blog/181231/why-i-check-both-white-and-jewish/

wtf is this

 

[DotCommunist]

When I left the mostly white, affluent Chicago suburb in which I grew up for college at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia

'met poverty for the first time'

should have watched the tom hanks film first and then would have been semi prepared

 

[butchersapron]

It's all simple, Stop doing what you're doing - go elsewhere and stop worrying about being where the next artists hang out is (this is stuff that you do voluntarily, the gentrification stuff). Stop looking at yourself and others in racialised terms. Try and understand how in the US race is a a refraction of class ('racecraft'). Talk to normal people. Stop thinking about yourself.