Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[Belushi]

It's only basic good sense though. People sophisticated enough to read the Observer and watch game of thrones are obviously well balanced and intelligent enough to look at some tits and not become a sex pest as a result. But you just know that those proles will turn into Peter Sutcliffe at the merest glimpse of Sam Fox's nipple

Luckily, the amount of heroin I use is harmless, I inject about once a month on a purely recreational basis. Fine. But what about other people less stable, less educated, less middle-class than me? Builders or blacks for example. If you're one of those, my advice is leave well alone. Good luck.

 

[_angel_]

Whenever people questioned how VP and I could afford to have a chest freezer, I explained that it was bought on installments from a catalogue..

That's how I got our - crap- fridge freezer.

Littlewoods really aren't someone I'd recommend for electricals but what to do when the fridge breaks down (in summer!) and there's nowt else. Would love a chest freezer!
Prolly better to buy in instalments from a second hand shop/ market like we did wi the second tho.

 

[caleb]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/27/new-generation-of-feminists-set-agenda

What does getting Jane Austen on a banknote mean for women for whom tenners are few and far between?

 

[Balbi]

Just saying chaps, but the upcoming 13,000 word pamphlet on Online Misogyny is going to be Urbantastic.

 

[weepiper]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/27/new-generation-of-feminists-set-agenda

What does getting Jane Austen on a banknote mean for women for whom tenners are few and far between?

I wish one of these crusading middle-class feminists would take on teenage single mothers not being allowed Housing Benefit unless they live with their parents or in 'supervised accommodation' for example.
Also the reaction from some of them about the twitter rape threats has been illuminating. Make twitter a paid-for service. Yeah cos men who don't have to worry about money are never abusive wankers and working class men can't help themselves, after all they're all just wife-beaters aren't they

 

[caleb]

Fucking hell, if you look at the No More Page 3 facebook page, some of the comments are absolutely disgusting in the manner they shame women:

Bbc breakfast. ... arguing it now . This woman is brilliant. Stupid page 3 woman has no argument​

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The model is completely inarticulate and embarrassing. Kay is so strong and convincing. Well done to her.

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But they're not beautiful. They're fake, not natural. Since when did being fake, having no dignity or modesty or respect become beautiful? Selling yourself because you can't be bothered to work is not beautiful. It's sad. She seemed to come off very bi​

tter... MONEY does not bring happiness. Thank God I was brought up being told I was worth so much more The amount of times I've been told, "If you look like that, whats the point in doing anything other than glamour modelling..." Unbelievable...​

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The fact she admitted they objectify women and can't even see what's wrong with that, just shows how things like Page 3 have an effect on some girls and what they think they're worth.​

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I still don't understand why there are trampy magazines in the first place? A woman should keep her body to herself and for her loved one, the same goes for men. I'm so glad that I have dignity and respect for myself, I'd rather die than be a disgusting fake ugly whore!

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[J Ed]

Just saying chaps, but the upcoming 13,000 word pamphlet on Online Misogyny is going to be Urbantastic.

I hope that she is planning to check her privilege and give Urban75 the right of reply to equalise the unfair power dynamic.

 

[Belushi]

she's picked the wrong bunch of bitter ageing leftists to start a pamphlet war with

 

[butchersapron]

13 000 words is a medium sized article ffs, how pompous do you have to be to insist that it's produced as a pamphlet?

 

[Idris2002]

she's picked the wrong bunch of bitter ageing leftists to start a pamphlet war with

 

[rekil]

And I do think about the impact of everything I write. I can't be responsible for sexist pigs deliberately misinterpreting it,

That's youse lot right?

Just saying chaps, but the upcoming 13,000 word pamphlet on Online Misogyny Laurie Penny is going to be Urbantastic.

Fixed.

 

[andysays]

13 000 words is a medium sized article ffs, how pompous do you have to be to insist that it's produced as a pamphlet?

I think we all know the answer to that one...

 

[DaveCinzano]

13 000 words is a medium sized article ffs, how pompous do you have to be to insist that it's produced as a pamphlet?

A "medium sized article" where?

This lengthy James Meek essay from LRB, for instance, runs at just under 12,000 words, and pastes into 17 Word doc pages at 12pt.

I'm not suggesting that 13,000 words is a particularly long piece in or of itself, but I do question your terms of reference. 13,000 words would certainly be a long newspaper article.

 

[butchersapron]

In a serious magazine - something exactly like LRB, not in a newspaper. Ok medium-long.

 

[Bakunin]

I hope that she is planning to check her privilege and give Urban75 the right of reply to equalise the unfair power dynamic.

I doubt it, that would seem like too fair a fight for her.

I wouldn't be surprised if some of us are selectively and/or deliberately misquoted and cited as prime examples of the enemy within. That's not to say that misogyny (online or offline) doesn't exist or that it doesn't need dealing with, just that this will be yet another instance in which everything somehow revolves around Penny Dreadful's personal career advancement.

 

[smokedout]

Laurie Penny @PennyRed
Quietly working through a hangover - my fourth ever - and feeling v sorry for myself. How do people do this sort of thing regularly? #booze

there goes the hunter thompson style hedonism, tea and cakes not k and squats from now on

 

[rekil]

(And sorry for self-pity, just find it weird I get much more hate from my "own side")

This is most likely to be an untruth. This is as delusional as that stavvers person saying "And my goodness, I piss off the powerful" the other day.

 

[frogwoman]

who is that stavvers person?

 

[smokedout]

Lauries mate and proper blogger Another Angry Woman

(by piss off the powerful she means mildly annoys Caitlin Moran)

 

[frogwoman]

Opinion: I Was A Misogynist Comedian (Michael J Dolan)- Michael was a misogynist comedian. He got better.

yeh just been reading her blog now

 

[andysays]

#ironyoverload

@hollygriggspall pdf? Just, if you're going to get publicity off saying you take issue with my work, maybe I should know about it.

 

[cesare]

Kindle singles at 13000 words are selling now. Apparently they're the journalistic equivalent of a novella.

http://www.dystel.com/2011/02/e-mini-books/

 

[butchersapron]

#ironyoverload

@hollygriggspall pdf? Just, if you're going to get publicity off saying you take issue with my work, maybe I should know about it.

Publicity eh? They you go, game revealed entire. See this anarchist-autonomist act of self-reduction ad proletarian re-appropriation too:

I send my work for free to everyone who requests it when I'm allowed to.

 

[Bakunin]

Publicity eh? They you go, game revealed entire. See this anarchist-autonomist act of self-reduction ad proletarian re-appropriation too:

I send my work for free to everyone who requests it when I'm allowed to.

Erm, as a freelancer myself as I can safely say that it's standard for a writer's fee and terms to be discussed and agreed prior to publication. You won't always do a deal with a formal contract, but whether a piece is to be paid for, how much is paid and copyright and reprint terms are usually agreed in detail before a piece is published.

 

[The39thStep]

I think this is an important point - it's almost as if the starting point for priveligistas is that these are all different struggles, in no way linked, and that for example black liberation is against the interests of, say, working class people. It's the opposite of solidarity - in order to be a good 'ally' you have to sacrifice yourself at the altar of the oppressed.

This is exactly what the 'isms' were like in the 80s

 

[caleb]

I think this is an important point - it's almost as if the starting point for priveligistas is that these are all different struggles, in no way linked, and that for example black liberation is against the interests of, say, working class people. It's the opposite of solidarity - in order to be a good 'ally' you have to sacrifice yourself at the altar of the oppressed.

I missed this initially, but this is perfect. I mean, some will say 'there will never be an end to racism [or sexism, etc.] without an end to capitalism'*, but then there will be no analysis or discussion of capitalism, and very little of class outside of a narrow sociological definition aimed at redressing 'classism'. If you were to point out, for example, that cross-class black liberation movements won't bring an end to capitalism, you'd be accused of 'whitesplaining' to them.

Show 'em the fucking League of Revolutionary Black Workers or summin and they'd have a heart attack.

*often 'capitalism', 'patriarchy' and 'white supremacy' are interchangeable.

 

[rekil]

The Prince And The Showgirl

I see that Laurie is quoted on the prof's wikipedia entry. Is there somebody going round inserting LP into wiki entries out of pure saddoness or is it part of a brand building strategy.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I missed this initially, but this is perfect. I mean, some will say 'there will never be an end to racism [or sexism, etc.] without an end to capitalism'*, but then there will be no analysis or discussion of capitalism, and very little of class outside of a narrow sociological definition aimed at redressing 'classism'. If you were to point out, for example, that cross-class black liberation movements won't bring an end to capitalism, you'd be accused of 'whitesplaining' to them.

Show 'em the fucking League of Revolutionary Black Workers or summin and they'd have a heart attack.

*often 'capitalism', 'patriarchy' and 'white supremacy' are interchangeable.

 

[Idris2002]

This is exactly what the 'isms' were like in the 80s

What would Johnny Alpha do in this situation?

 

[el-ahrairah]

fuck, i just came here to post that