Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[tufty79]

i am about to blow both of your minds.

behold, the cookies of good fortune. it was the first time i'd had a 'safe' friend visit after all the springdisaster, and we ate a fuckton of food and i could rant freely to someone who sort of knew what'd been going on, and the people involved, rather than someone bang in the middle of it or a MH professional who just thought i sounded like a paranoid nutbag.




oddly enough.. bt gave me an unexpected refund the next day.
and shortly after, i booked tickets to go see my favourite band in paris.

tell me to my face that a machine knew that, ey?

 

[grit]

*snort* as if you are the arbiter of quality around here. You're a disruptive pathetic knobend.

Peas in a pod us two

 

[Bakunin]

Irritable Bastard Syndrome? I get that if I don't drink coffee

You should see Toggle waking up to an empty coffee mug...

'Now, will somebody please find me a mug of Java..?'

 

[SpineyNorman]

More like you have!( I've decided to engage in equationgirls flawless debating tactic).

I like it!

You're just a bit of a sad case really aren't you?

 

[tufty79]

*snort* as if you are the arbiter of quality around here. You're a disruptive pathetic knobend.

no, that's me

 

[grit]

You're just a bit of a sad case really aren't you?

I'm not a case I'm a person!

 

[equationgirl]

no, that's me

You're not a knobend though, and you're certainly not pathetic.

 

[tufty79]

WE ARE ALL AUTONOMOUS INDIVIDUALS ON THIS THREAD.

 

[SpineyNorman]

I'm not a case I'm a person!

That's just your opinion.

 

[grit]

That's just your opinion.

Indeed, hurrah, someone gets it! We finally made it

A big aul gold star for you!

 

[emanymton]

WE ARE ALL AUTONOMOUS INDIVIDUALS ON THIS THREAD.

I'm Not

 

[tufty79]

I'm Not

 

[tufty79]

e2a (actually no. *posted* to add - managed to hit the wrong buttons and type in the wrong box in amusement) : i just had a look at twitter (yeah. i know . i felt brave enough to face it without worrying about shouting today) to see what her reaction to yesterday was. saw the 'why do i read the trolllls?' thing, and realised she's blocked me

*officially joined the the haterati*

i don't care *shrug*, innit? well, i do a little bit, but fuck it. there's an apology floating around in cyberspace, and that's enough from me, i suppose. and she's reacting in exactly the same way as i have to people recently who are trying to make amends
one of us is clearly the evil twin. would that make me the anti-laurie?


edit again: yeah, i'm a fuckwit. the reason i don't use twitter is because it makes me feel stupid, angry, out of my depth and confused. i think i just didn't know how to use it (and thought 'protected tweet'/'you do not have the authorisation to..' meant blocked. managed to scrawl on her wall, so i think i might've been mistaken

fwiw, if i was her, i wouldn't be overkeen on coming back to be shouted at.
it doesn't mean i don't think we've got legitimate criticisms on here,it just means i've realised that we're both sort of in the same shoes, just different flavours.

 

[andysays]

e2a (actually no. *posted* to add - managed to hit the wrong buttons and type in the wrong box in amusement) : i just had a look at twitter (yeah. i know . i felt brave enough to face it without worrying about shouting today) to see what her reaction to yesterday was. saw the 'why do i read the trolllls?' thing, and realised she's blocked me

*officially joined the the haterati*

i don't care *shrug*, innit? well, i do a little bit, but fuck it. there's an apology floating around in cyberspace, and that's enough from me, i suppose.

To be honest, I don't think you've said anything here you ought to apologise for, and definitely not to LP

 

[SpineyNorman]

Yeah if either of you needs to apologise it isn't you tufty79 - it was absolutely disgraceful, given what you'd just told us, for her to try and turn it around to you being the baddie and her the victim when she claimed that she found your account of your experiences and the way her friends had used her work against you as 'triggering' (so much for privilege checking if it's practitioners use its language to try and silence victims of that kind of thing).

You're worth 10 lauriepenny s IMO, don't let her get to you and definitely don't let her make your feel like the guilty party. I made the mistake of letting this stuff get to me a bit too much when spineygate was going on (it certainly needed dealing with but I could have probably dealt with it better) but there's no doubt in my mind about who was in the right - same goes for you if you ask me and given what you've been through it goes without saying that her comments towards you are on a completely different level to a couple of unfounded accusations of racism.

TL/DR or cliche version: Don't let the bastards grind you down.

 

[DotCommunist]

Yeah if either of you needs to apologise it isn't you tufty79 - it was absolutely disgraceful, given what you'd just told us, for her to try and turn it around to you being the baddie and her the victim when she claimed that she found your account of your experiences and the way her friends had used her work against you as 'triggering' (so much for privilege checking if it's practitioners use its language to try and silence victims of that kind of thing).

You're worth 10 lauriepenny s IMO, don't let her get to you and definitely don't let her make your feel like the guilty party. I made the mistake of letting this stuff get to me a bit too much when spineygate was going on (it certainly needed dealing with but I could have probably dealt with it better) but there's no doubt in my mind about who was in the right - same goes for you if you ask me and given what you've been through it goes without saying that her comments towards you are on a completely different level to a couple of unfounded accusations of racism.

TL/DR or cliche version: Don't let the bastards grind you down.

an excellent deterrent to burglars, bailiffs (same thing really) and other ne'er do wells

 

[emanymton]

Yeah if either of you needs to apologise it isn't you tufty79 - it was absolutely disgraceful, given what you'd just told us, for her to try and turn it around to you being the baddie and her the victim when she claimed that she found your account of your experiences and the way her friends had used her work against you as 'triggering' (so much for privilege checking if it's practitioners use its language to try and silence victims of that kind of thing).

You're worth 10 lauriepenny s IMO, don't let her get to you and definitely don't let her make your feel like the guilty party. I made the mistake of letting this stuff get to me a bit too much when spineygate was going on (it certainly needed dealing with but I could have probably dealt with it better) but there's no doubt in my mind about who was in the right - same goes for you if you ask me and given what you've been through it goes without saying that her comments towards you are on a completely different level to a couple of unfounded accusations of racism.

TL/DR or cliche version: Don't let the bastards grind you down.

Just liking this post hardly seems sufficient, so urmm well said.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Which you implied gave more value, hence his opinion being "mere" in comparison to yours

How would you distinguish between the value you placed on opinions; or don't you?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[Idris2002]

former housemate of 39thstep as well

I'd have liked to be sat round that table to be honest

I´ve had a pint with Ken Macleod, in the old Senior Common Room at QUB. He was enthusing over having found a copy of BICO´s The Economics of Partition in the QUB bookshop.

 

[Remzi]

I left this thread already yesterday, but Spiney asked me three times to respond to his message.

Yeah - especially the part where she told tens of thousands of people I was a racist for no reason whatsoever, leading to real world problems for me and my family (including my black ex-partner and her mixed race children) and only retracted the statement when she was threatened with legal action.

That part was especially kind and gentle and I can see why you wouldn't understand why I didn't just bend down and kiss her feet afterwards.

You fucking mug.

Now I've read all Laurie's posts here and I never saw her call you a racist. I don't understand how it caused any real world problems for you either. Abd because you are still angry and insult me for no reason, I'm sorry but I beleve her not you.

The kind and gentle posts of Laure's I meant were to Tufty not you.

Honsetly you are taking this far too sriously.

 

[TruXta]

I left this thread already yesterday, but Spiney asked me three times to respond to his message.



Now I've read all Laurie's posts here and I never saw her call you a racist. I don't understand how it caused any real world problems for you either. Abd because you are still angry and insult me for no reason, I'm sorry but I beleve her not you.

The kind and gentle posts of Laure's I meant were to Tufty not you.

Honsetly you are taking this far too sriously.

This will go well. Just take your own advice and fuck off eh?

 

[weepiper]

it was on Twitter but discussed at great length afterwards on here.

 

[Remzi]

This will go well. Just take your own advice and fuck off eh?

Wow what a man.

 

[tufty79]

Wow what a man.

he is, acksherly

 

[TruXta]

Wow what a man.

It's clear that you've no intention of actually trying to take in both sides in this debacle, so why bother? And your teenage psychologising is fucking embarrassing. Happy people aren't angry?

 

[SpineyNorman]

I left this thread already yesterday, but Spiney asked me three times to respond to his message.



Now I've read all Laurie's posts here and I never saw her call you a racist. I don't understand how it caused any real world problems for you either. Abd because you are still angry and insult me for no reason, I'm sorry but I beleve her not you.

The kind and gentle posts of Laure's I meant were to Tufty not you.

Honsetly you are taking this far too sriously.

Is she denying it then? She certainly didn't deny it at the time. She called me, and another poster, racist. For no reason other than wanting to slander us for disagreeing with her. There was a massive twitter shit storm and eventually, after legal threats, an email conversation and a phone call, she was forced to retract the accusations and apologise.

Now, just to be clear - are you calling me a liar?

 

[weepiper]

It's clear that you've no intention of actually trying to take in both sides in this debacle, so why bother? And your teenage psychologising is fucking embarrassing. Happy people aren't angry?

Not only that, but angry people are never right apparently

 

[tufty79]

Not only that, but angry people are never right apparently

come here and say that to my face

 

[Remzi]

Is she denying it then? She certainly didn't deny it at the time. She called me, and another poster, racist. For no reason other than wanting to slander us for disagreeing with her. There was a massive twitter shit storm and eventually, after legal threats, an email conversation and a phone call, she was forced to retract the accusations and apologise.

Now, just to be clear - are you calling me a liar?

Did I? Certainly not, but when you make a claim like that, it is for you to prove it to me. Because fronm your insult and language I have no reason to beleve you. So if you show me where she called you raqcist I'll beleve you, not until then.

 

[SpineyNorman]

Did I? Certainly not, but when you make a claim like that, it is for you to prove it to me. Because fronm your insult and language I have no reason to beleve you. So if you show me where she called you raqcist I'll beleve you, not until then.

Yes. Because obviously I would make that up.