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Did I? Certainly not, but when you make a claim like that, it is for you to prove it to me. Because fronm your insult and language I have no reason to beleve you. So if you show me where she called you raqcist I'll beleve you, not until then.
There are numerous posters that witnessed all of this. You're the one saying it didn't happen - the onus is on you to show why. To the extent that anyone gives a damn what you believe or not, anyway.
 
Did I? Certainly not, but when you make a claim like that, it is for you to prove it to me. Because fronm your insult and language I have no reason to beleve you. So if you show me where she called you raqcist I'll beleve you, not until then.

Why are you calling everyone else who saw it, people on this thread, and people on twitter - liars?
 
Start here and continue reading.

And if you can't see how a prominent lefty journo telling tens of thousands of people I'm a racist might affect me in the real world I'm not sure I can help you. People know me by that nickname, they offered 'support' to my black ex partner, assuming that we'd split up because of my 'racism'. I had people asking me about it and you could tell that they didn't believe my explanation - no smoke without fire etc. It meant I had to make people in the childrens centre campaign I was involved in aware of it in case the council tried to use it against us.

So how's about you fuck off you disgusting apologist cunt?
 
OK. But to be honest there is a lot of stuff on this thread that looks madeup. Not just you. Harris lust for young girls - evidence?

None of the evidence is hidden - it's all right here on this thread. If you can't be arsed to read it that's your problem not mine.
 
I left this thread already yesterday, but Spiney asked me three times to respond to his message.



Now I've read all Laurie's posts here and I never saw her call you a racist. I don't understand how it caused any real world problems for you either. Abd because you are still angry and insult me for no reason, I'm sorry but I beleve her not you.

The kind and gentle posts of Laure's I meant were to Tufty not you.

Honsetly you are taking this far too sriously.


She did call him a racist; just try looking a little harder. I'm sure you must realise that reading only her posts is not really a very good way to understand what has gone on; a bit like trying to construct a accurate picture from one half of a telephone conversation or reading only one contributors letters in a series of correspondence.

The fact that you can't understand how it caused any real world problems is a little worrying. I'd put it down to naivety but it could also be due to the same lack of imagination you showed with your 'envy' comment. It really isn't so hard to place yourself in somebody else's shoes; you might want to ask yourself why you are finding it so tricky.

As for your last comment; one of the best things about Urban is that people take their politics seriously (which is not the same as being humourless). Would you rather people weren't serious about their politics; perhaps they would be better to treat it as a piece of participant observation or some sort of ladder climbing game?

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Start here and continue reading.

And if you can't see how a prominent lefty journo telling tens of thousands of people I'm a racist might affect me in the real world I'm not sure I can help you. People know me by that nickname, they offered 'support' to my black ex partner, assuming that we'd split up because of my 'racism'. I had people asking me about it and you could tell that they didn't believe my explanation - no smoke without fire etc. It meant I had to make people in the childrens centre campaign I was involved in aware of it in case the council tried to use it against us.

So how's about you fuck off you disgusting apologist cunt?

OK she called you racist. OK you deny it. Who do I beleve? The one who throws bitter insultas around and swears at me? I don't think so. :)
 
OK she called you racist. OK you deny it. Who do I beleve? The one who throws bitter insultas around and swears at me?

i've changed my mind. can we keep this one?
(disclaimer: i'm not leaving the house today and need distracting from running out of fags)
 
OK she called you racist. OK you deny it. Who do I beleve? The one who throws bitter insultas around and swears at me? I don't think so. :)

So I'm a racist as well as a liar now?

I suppose you may have a point though - only racists swear at ignorant cunts who call them a liar.

But it seems you're the only one who believes Laurie when she says I'm a racist. Not even Laurie Penny herself believes it. Hence her retracting it.
 
OK. But to be honest there is a lot of stuff on this thread that looks madeup. Not just you. Harris lust for young girls - evidence?

Do you mean you are disinclined to believe it (because you don't want to?) or that there is evidence that is apparent to you that makes you suspect it; if it is the latter than share the evidence? Otherwise it all comes across a bit fingers thrust firmly in ears, loudly repeating 'I can't hear you...I can't hear you)'.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice
 
Honestly, the whole thread looks absolutly odd. 800 pages???? Of attacks on one person???? There's usually something odd happening. :hmm:

It's not a thread about one person. You'd know that if you'd bothered to read it too. This might sound a bit out there, but maybe if you're going to pass judgement on this thread and those who've contributed to it then it might be worth reading the fucking thing.

There's more focus on her than anyone but then again nobody else has turned up on here, misrepresented what's being said, and then slandered two posters (both committed antiracists who've been involved in stuff for more than a decade) as racists. That kind of thing does tend to draw peoples attention I'm afraid.

Are you ready to apologise for calling me a liar and a racist yet?
 
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