Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[ViolentPanda]

Oh you can be sure that I noticed that! Thats what made it so fucking hilarious, you were attempting to suggest that your "mere opinion" was better than Remzi's "mere opinion".

This is gold, keep it coming.

Not "better", more well-informed on the context of the thread, given that unlike Remzi (and possibly yourself) I've actually read the whole thing, and re-read parts of it several times.

Now, try again, maybe after a coffee.

 

[frogwoman]

OK. I haven't seen such and I can't imagine them but if that's true then OK.

Now I'm going before I beome the new Penny or Hrris here. What madness.

It's like you're climbing up onto the cross and begging for nails.

 

[grit]

Not "better", more well-informed on the context of the thread, g

So more informed,valid and relevant then?

Yeah that's why I just used the word better as it communicated those ideas in a single word.

 

[Bakunin]

And his £5,000 fees to talk for half an hour.

A Malcolm Harris speaking engagement, yesterday:

 

[tufty79]

Now, try again, maybe after a coffee.

i do not advocate that anyone ever posts on this thread after a coffee.
/projection.

 

[SpineyNorman]

OK. I haven't seen such and I can't imagine them but if that's true then OK.

Now I'm going before I beome the new Penny or Hrris here. What madness.

Yeah, we should just be grateful to her for being superior to us and a great journalist who speaks for us to we don't have to speak for ourselves and we should ingnore inconvenient stuff like her slandering us as racists, making life difficult for us and our families and putting campaigns we are involved in at risk by giving our opponents (untrue) dirt to fling in our direction.

But before you go please can I have a response to this post:

Yeah - especially the part where she told tens of thousands of people I was a racist for no reason whatsoever, leading to real world problems for me and my family (including my black ex-partner and her mixed race children) and only retracted the statement when she was threatened with legal action.

That part was especially kind and gentle and I can see why you wouldn't understand why I didn't just bend down and kiss her feet afterwards.

You fucking mug.

Otherwise I'll be forced to conclude that you don't know what the fuck you're on about and are too cowardly to address this inconvenient truth.

 

[SpineyNorman]

anyone calls me that, i will hurt them with my teeth.

Is combabe acceptable?

 

[tufty79]

politicising hotness? check your privilege checking my privilege checking your.. you dawg. i heard you like privilege...
and taking it as a compliment rather than embracing my paranoia that it's a veiled dig

cat-ivist will do fine, if you must
(i kept being called an activist by well-meaning nice people until recently, when i started bursting into tears and explaining *why* it upset me. still wroking on it, but i really am a catnip-roots type low-level placard-waver who just gets a bit pissed off with things sometimes, and often gets it wrong as to how to go about changing 'em. as we all do )

 

[ViolentPanda]

And his writing is crap.

Structurally, his writing is excellent. It encompasses the styles of many excellent columnists.
It's the content that isn't particularly appealing to me. It's very much targetted at his own "cool" milieu, with all the archness and knowingness that implies, which makes it boring for anyone who isn't, or doesn't want to be part of, that milieu.

He's kind of the "anti-Penny", in my eyes: Her writing is structurally "all over the place", but her content is sometimes interesting, and isn't just aimed at appealing to "the cool kids".

 

[ViolentPanda]

double post.

 

[equationgirl]

double post.

So between the two of them they're one good writer?

 

[andysays]

...But before you go please can I have a response to this post:

Otherwise I'll be forced to conclude that you don't know what the fuck you're on about and are too cowardly to address this inconvenient truth...

I think we're all justified in coming to that conclusion right now

 

[emanymton]

Happy people are not angry. Even when anger is just (as it is NOT here) it bring unhappiness.

Do you write fortune cookies for a living?

 

[ViolentPanda]

So more informed,valid and relevant then?

Yeah that's why I just used the word better as it communicated those ideas in a single word.

You're the one attributing value, not me.

 

[ViolentPanda]

i do not advocate that anyone ever posts on this thread after a coffee.
/projection.

To be honest, I haven't drunk coffee for 19 years (gastric ulcers), so I've forgotten what the effects are of a strong coffee!

 

[Bakunin]

To be honest, I haven't drunk coffee for 19 years (gastric ulcers), so I've forgotten what the effects are of a strong coffee!

 

[tufty79]

To be honest, I haven't drunk coffee for 19 years (gastric ulcers), so I've forgotten what the effects are of a strong coffee!

 

[tufty79]

+ The Internet and a 'reply' button
=


(genuine trigger warning from a triggery person - the first minute is slightly dark and unease making. the rest of it makes me want to run through the streets howling)
magnified by 100,000,000,000

 

[equationgirl]

Happy people are not angry. Even when anger is just (as it is NOT here) it bring unhappiness.

Oh fuck off. You know nothing about any of the posters on this thread and the reasons for their anger (if they have any).

 

[grit]

You're the one attributing value, not me.

Then why refer to Remzi's "mere" opinion?

You are slipping, sad to see.

 

[grit]

Oh fuck off. You know nothing about any of the posters on this thread and the reasons for their anger (if they have any).

What a great response to an anger related post, this thread just keeps giving and giving.

 

[The Pale King]

Ursula Le Guin took the picture.

Pint and a chaser for Krugman. He's going large tonight!

 

[ViolentPanda]

I rember that sort of effect on my bowels after the first coffee and cigarette of the morning!

 

[equationgirl]

What a great response to an anger related post, this thread just keeps giving and giving.

grit fuck off. Now.

 

[Bakunin]

I rember that sort of effect on my bowels after the first coffee and cigarette of the morning!

If you'd smoked unfiltered Camels and drunk three mugs of Hot Lava Java you could have made history as Britain's first astronaut.

 

[grit]

grit fuck off. Now.

Well since you asked so nicely.

No.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Then why refer to Remzi's "mere" opinion?

I wasn't attributing value, I was attributing understanding of context. That's fairly obvious.

You are slipping, sad to see.

The fact that even after your last melt-down you're still non self-aware enough to keep knee-capping yourself, is what's "sad to see".
Not for me, you understand, because I don't give a toss about you, but for those posters more compassionate than me, it might be painful for them to see.

 

[equationgirl]

Well since you asked so nicely.

No.

Then please contribute to the thread instead of disrupting it.

 

[grit]

I wasn't attributing value, I was attributing understanding of context. That's fairly obvious.

Which you implied gave more value, hence his opinion being "mere" in comparison to yours

 

[grit]

Then please contribute to the thread instead of disrupting it.

I have been, in fact its been my challenges to such appalling abuses of logic and reason that you initially took issue with.

In essence you originally kicked off at me for contributing to the thread. *shrugs shoulders*