Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[DaveCinzano]

You might, but then you would have to buy in professional support for editing, proofing, marketing etc...

[Re marketing in particular]

Not necessarily, certainly not at the costs involved in production for a physical print run, and definitely not if it's not aimed at a mass market audience where there would have to be immense breadth in penetration.

[Edited to specify marketing]

 

[butchersapron]

are there any proofers who'd work with the Penster, considering how she blames them for all her fuck ups?



(shit! I'm doing it myself now. Pass the birch....)

I'm sure she could find an eager intern to pay under the legal minimum wage.

 

[butchersapron]

Book? This is 2012 - bung your crap writing on the internet - show you believe all that guff that you wrote about it.

 

[killer b]

immense breadth in penetration.

fnar.

 

[treelover]

For fuck's sake. A sparkly party that most of the people she claims to speak for would never be able to get to, full of twats and media luvvies. A sparkly party for occupiers jesus fucking fucking christ. A party by the bourgeoisie thrown "for" us. For us! Would my mate carly be able to go to that eh penny or would they throw her out for looking like a chav and not knowing about all that radical bullshit you're talking about? Would my mates be able to afford the price of the drinks? Is it any wonder people don't give a fuck about the left and don't give a fuck about you?





The zeitgeist that provids their income. What a load of fucking shit! Raise awareness about the occupy movement among those in New York society who spend their trust funds in private clubs. Do you know something? FUCK those people! I don't want them near ANY movement im part of especially if they're going to be making money out of it and turning it into some sort of che t-shirt merchandise bollocks.



And what if they don't get invited to the bowery hotel because they've got no money or because they're union reps who are working hard with problems AT WORK eh penny? problems that you almost certainly know absolutely nothing about but your parents' generation probably will? Sorry for the epic rant it just makes me sick !!

Wasn't it the case that there was a massive chasm in ONY between the poor, homeless, wc, occupiers and the more affluent and 'geeky' Uptown occupiers: not having a welfare state, the division between young people from poorer backgrounds and the trustarians, sons and daughters of elites, etc must be much wider than here, at least uptil now, after the welfare cuts, tuition fees rises, well..

btw, why some of this is revealing,. like some others I find it a bit disturbing to have thread of so many pages focussing on one person, i don't think it it has happened before, not even with Gogarty...

 

[butchersapron]

Wasn't it the case that there was a massive chasm in ONY between the poor, homeless, wc, occupiers and the more affluent and 'geeky' occupiers: not having a welfare state, the division between young people from poorer backgrounds and the trustarians, sons and daughters of elites, etc must be much wider than here, at least uptil now, after the welfare cuts, tuition fees rises, well..

btw, why some of this is revealing,. like some others I find it a bit disturbing to have thread of so many pages focussing on one person, i don't think it it has happened before, not even with Gogarty...

That's because he was a one week thing - this shit is still going on, week after week after week. If you can't see the issues that are driving this then you're not reading it right.

 

[Fruitloop]

The Gogarty thing ran and ran.

The are kind of separated at birth though

 

[chilango]

It's not about Laura as an individual. It's about Laura as a manifestation of a certain power relationship and the effect that this has on the rest of us.

"Laurie Penny" is a fictional character anyway...a role eagerly assumed.

 

[temper_tantrum]

You might, but then you would have to buy in professional support for editing, proofing, marketing etc...

Swings and roundabouts.

I think it depends on whether you're in it for the intellectual satisfaction, or the fame.
Swings and roundabouts.

 

[Idris2002]

Back in the old days there must have been loads of Pennys walking around. . . but there were also people like this:

 

[love detective]

You might, but then you would have to buy in professional support for editing, proofing, marketing etc...

Swings and roundabouts.

Or in the case of BTF, you go with a publisher and end up doing all that stuff yourselves anyway....

 

[butchersapron]

It's not about Laura as an individual. It's about Laura as a manifestation of a certain power relationship and the effect that this has on the rest of us.

"Laurie Penny" is a fictional character anyway...a role eagerly assumed.

That's it exactly. I lost the argument to shelf her book in the fiction section of the Hyrda bookshop.

(hers and chavs absolutely flew out as well - fucking plebs in this town)

 

[temper_tantrum]

Johann Hari is still alive and kicking, btw.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/commen...nn-hari-twitter-and-the-importance-of-critics

 

[Balbi]

Johann Hari is still alive and kicking, btw.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/commen...nn-hari-twitter-and-the-importance-of-critics

'journalist'

 

[butchersapron]

Johann Hari is still alive and kicking, btw.

http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/commen...nn-hari-twitter-and-the-importance-of-critics

Oh wow, please let him be saying what i think he' saying - that his wiki-vandalism was critique.

 

[chilango]

That's it exactly. I lost the argument to shelf her book in the fiction section of the Hyrda bookshop.

(hers and chavs absolutely flew out as well - fucking plebs in this town)

You stock her book?!?!

Not cool.

 

[butchersapron]

You stock her book?!?!

Not cool.

To be fair, we didn't order it - we were a bit desperate for stock due to opening a month earlier than planned so i rang up pluto and asked what they could do to help asap and they said they had boxes of their top 25 sellers sitting there just waiting to go, so i said we'll have that - little did i suspect...

 

[temper_tantrum]

Maybe it's time to revive the Hari thread ...
He's back on Twitter as well btw, if anyone wants to joust with him.
Edit: And lo, it came to pass, that what I predicteth came true. He is now working on a book, according to his Twitter biog. I knew it.

 

[Idris2002]

Oh wow, please let him be saying what i think he' saying - that his wiki-vandalism was critique.

"They have learnt nothing and forgotten nothing".

 

[DotCommunist]

the extended hari-kiri continues- when will the punctured ego finally bleed out?

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe it's time to revive the Hari thread ...
He's back on Twitter as well btw, if anyone wants to joust with him.
Edit: And lo, it came to pass, that what I predicteth came true. He is now working on a book, according to his Twitter biog. I knew it.

You said he'd head up a think tank!

 

[temper_tantrum]

You said he'd head up a think tank!

Not 'head up'. Write for. And/or do a book. Or do something which contained elements of both (non-fic think-tanky policy book effort).
I wonder who his publisher is ...

 

[butchersapron]

Not 'head up'. Write for. And/or do a book. Or do something which contained elements of both (non-fic think-tanky policy book effort).

Everyone said he'd be forced to do a book!

 

[Idris2002]

the extended hari-kiri continues- when will the punctured ego finally bleed out?

Evil cannot die.

 

[butchersapron]

Evil cannot die.

Not if we keep it in our hearts.

 

[Random]

Oh wow, please let him be saying what i think he' saying - that his wiki-vandalism was critique.

his article seems to be cultural journalism by numbers. The sub ed must have added the bit at the start

 

[butchersapron]

his article seems to be cultural journalism by numbers. The sub ed must have added the bit at the start

GQ - lol I heard loaded offered him a spot.

What a heavyweight.

 

[Idris2002]

GQ - lol I heard loaded offered him a spot.

What a heavyweight.

He's not exactly the Loaded demographic, though?

 

[DaveCinzano]

his article seems to be cultural journalism by numbers. The sub ed must have added the bit at the start

You mean this?

*now with footnotes

 

[DotCommunist]

who is these days, i can't believe they are still alive while my precious interzone continues to to fail.