Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[love detective]

A thread with 2275 posts and only 1 phwoar pic has to be some kind of record tbh.

belboid in his undercrackers up soon to boost the phwoar count

 

[belboid]

No need to over-dramatise, belboid. A pic like that is also an opportunity to push back agains sexism, it's not to be run from in horror or boredom, not if the topic is important.

but the topic is one minor journo. As I said, low-hanging fruit.

Still, whatever. Enjoy yourselves

 

[belboid]

belboid in his undercrackers up soon to boost the phwoar count

done already

 

[butchersapron]

but the topic is one minor journo. As I said, low-hanging fruit.

Still, whatever. Enjoy yourselves

Have you moved into LLETSA'S?

 

[rekil]

Leave Hari alone as well. Oh, too late.

 

[Random]

but the topic is one minor journo. As I said, low-hanging fruit.

Still, whatever. Enjoy yourselves

Thought you said just now you took my point about this being a wider issue. This thread is also a What not to do lesson for all anarcholeftie journalists.

 

[belboid]

Have you moved into LLETSA'S?

ooh, you cad!

 

[belboid]

Thought you said just now you took my point about this being a wider issue. This thread is also a What not to do lesson for all anarcholeftie journalists.

Bollocks. It's a 'penny is shit thread.' Any lessons are hidden amongst the drivel

 

[Random]

Bollocks. It's a 'penny is shit thread.' Any lessons are hidden amongst the drivel

there are plenty of wider lessons to be learnt. And what's all this superior stuff about 'drivel'? You sometimes spend whole threads swearing at someone you don't like, Mr Content.

 

[love detective]

done already

lost a bit of weight there i see!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Attending a birthday bash with her poor, precariously living mates.

Those pictures made me want to start sharpening my hatchet! Even the names of the attendees to the party roused my (admittedly easily-roused) ire. Burke Heffner, ffs!!!

 

[articul8]

That's yanks in general though - they're all called Brad Nugent or something

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Any relation to Hugh, he has the same jawline?

 

[treelover]

yeah fair enough - I was kind of conflating then & now with oxbridge types who are more honest about what they are & represent and those are not

Jack Common was one of the working class ones...

 

[Orang Utan]

one of the organisers had invited two of his uni friends, now editor of Dazed and Confused, to cover the (illegal) action from the inside. I and others were called wreckers for objecting to this.

really? He's a friend of mine. I wouldn't characterise him as a flag-waving radical

 

[ViolentPanda]

That's yanks in general though - they're all called Brad Nugent or something

And that's just the women.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Any relation to Hugh, he has the same jawline?

Possible, I suppose. Hef did/does put it around a bit.

 

[belboid]

You sometimes spend whole threads swearing at someone you don't like, Mr Content.

yeah, but at least those people are actually on the thread.

 

[rekil]

Dan Franklin ‏@DigitalDanHouse
I'm v pleased that we're going to be publishing DISCORDIA by @PennyRed and @mollycrabapple in late summer (ish)

Mr.Digital Publisher at the Random House Group UK, you are mental.

 

[andy2002]

Mr.Digital Publisher at the Random House Group UK, you are mental.

Unfortunately, there's an audience for this kind of bollocks. I can hear Warren Ellis and his ilk wanking themselves stupid over it already. It'll also get loads of publicity through the likes of the Guardian, Indie, NS etc.

 

[rekil]

Unfortunately, there's an audience for this kind of bollocks. I can hear Warren Ellis and his ilk wanking themselves stupid over it already. It'll also get loads of publicity through the likes of the Guardian, Indie, NS etc.

Proletarian Democracy issued this demand in response.

'Publish our stuff you bastards.'

 

[DaveCinzano]

Mr.Digital Publisher at the Random House Group UK, you are mental.

I saw it more as a project that would be crowdsourced through Kickstarter, with a launch party hosted by Amanda Palmer and liveblogged via Tumblr.

 

[Random]

really? He's a friend of mine. I wouldn't characterise him as a flag-waving radical

I meant the then-editor, or asst editor. A woman.

 

[temper_tantrum]

Unfortunately, there's an audience for this kind of bollocks. I can hear Warren Ellis and his ilk wanking themselves stupid over it already. It'll also get loads of publicity through the likes of the Guardian, Indie, NS etc.

I asked A Senior Person at Verso about this, a while back (they published LP's collection of blog posts). They very overtly look for writers with an existing audience, and you have to be able to demonstrate that people would buy your book if they published it. So their first advice to anyone wanting to get a (non-fic) book deal these days is, 'get a blog, and a Twitter account, build an audience and then talk to us'.
That's how it works apparently.

 

[Orang Utan]

I meant the then-editor, or asst editor. A woman.

Right you are

 

[temper_tantrum]

Of course, if you already had a blog and a Twitter account and an audience then you might decide that it would be easier, less irritating and more true to your original vision to self-publish the damn thing, and bypass mainstream publishers entirely.
That would involve far less compromising on the content at the instructions of some marketing random in order to make it 'saleable'. But then you wouldn't get to hobnob with Owen Jones at the Verso Christmas party.
Swings & roundabouts.

 

[DaveCinzano]

I hear those Verso Christmas Parties are DA BOMB.

 

[treelover]

the thing that gets me about penny, is the whole claiming to be a voice of a generation thing - like how the fuck can she know what everyone's lives are like? i mean fuck me im not the most proletarian person in the world but i could bet that my social circle is wider than hers. how can you know what everyone's lives are like if you've gone straight from brighton college into a meejah job paying more than what the majority of the country earn?

Her boyfriend, maybe, ex, boyfriend was on disability benefits, her ire towards that part of the system seems genuine..

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Of course, if you already had a blog and a Twitter account and an audience then you might decide that it would be easier, less irritating and more true to your original vision to self-publish the damn thing, and bypass mainstream publishers entirely.
That would involve far less compromising on the content at the instructions of some marketing random in order to make it 'saleable'. But then you wouldn't get to hobnob with Owen Jones at the Verso Christmas party.
Swings & roundabouts.

You might, but then you would have to buy in professional support for editing, proofing, marketing etc...

Swings and roundabouts.

 

[belboid]

are there any proofers who'd work with the Penster, considering how she blames them for all her fuck ups?



(shit! I'm doing it myself now. Pass the birch....)