Bakunin
I am Noodle's bitch.
nice riots. obvs.
Do they have to be lucrative networking and publicity-building opportunities as well?
Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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Do they have to be lucrative networking and publicity-building opportunities as well?
andysays
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Everything is a lucrative networking and publicity-building opportunity; we're just jealous haters because we don't know how to make use of them
lauriepenny
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Well, you're doing a really good impression of one.
lauriepenny
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This is getting so ugly. Checked back in here after months to find you accusing me of lying about my treatment when I was a sick teenager. Actually, I was treated on private insurance first, in the acute ward at 17, and later after I left home I reeived NHS care as an outpatient, which was vital for my recovery.
Additionally, I regularly speak at feminist events. If you can't find any since 2011 you're the ones not doing your research properly. Two days ago I gave a talk to a student feminist group at a secondary school in East London.
Have you ever asked yourselves seriously how the sort of spiteful commentary you're dishing out on this thread might make a person feel? I know you like to think of me as a symbol of all you despise, based mostly on false information and assumptions about my background you've pulled out of nowhere. But actually, I'm a real person, a young woman trying her best to do good work. I try not to check this thread anymore because the level of wilful falsehood and bullying just makes me upset. But I wonder sometimes what you think you're going to achieve with it.
Additionally, I regularly speak at feminist events. If you can't find any since 2011 you're the ones not doing your research properly. Two days ago I gave a talk to a student feminist group at a secondary school in East London.
Have you ever asked yourselves seriously how the sort of spiteful commentary you're dishing out on this thread might make a person feel? I know you like to think of me as a symbol of all you despise, based mostly on false information and assumptions about my background you've pulled out of nowhere. But actually, I'm a real person, a young woman trying her best to do good work. I try not to check this thread anymore because the level of wilful falsehood and bullying just makes me upset. But I wonder sometimes what you think you're going to achieve with it.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
I was going to ask if you were the real Laurie Penny, but the notion of someone imitating Laurie Penny on this thread really really depresses me, so I won't.
Mind you, the notion of the real Laurie Penny posting on this thread depresses me quite a lot too.
If it is you though - I don't think you're very good at what you do, please try to be better at it or stop completely if you don't think you can.
J Ed
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Laurie, just curious whether you have ever found anything on this thread to be legitimate or relevant criticism? It's hard for me not to think that you're cherry picking contributions to portray this thread in as bad a light as possible. Is there nothing here where you've thought "ah, okay, fair cop"?
i hope to achieve you being less of an exploitative lying shit, lauriepenny. can't speak for others on this thread, mind.
you're welcome x
(ps i only mentioned the 2011 slutwalk because at the time, i thought you were ok. so took a photo of you onstage, shared it, and people started telling me to check your facts. so to speak)
you're welcome x
(ps i only mentioned the 2011 slutwalk because at the time, i thought you were ok. so took a photo of you onstage, shared it, and people started telling me to check your facts. so to speak)
YouSir
Retired from Urban
No idea about the rest but sometimes criticism is just criticism, not a personal attack. I just find what you do to not be very good. It's far too self referential, far too tied into a seemingly self-selecting group of trendy 'activists' who find their own navel gazing far more interesting than doing the actual work required to write knowledgably about things. Whoever you are as a person I can't help but wonder what good, if any, you do for the Left and what possible harm you may do by perpetuating the self-indulgent student/Hipster school of political thought (or lack thereof).
Such is my opinion at any rate. As for the minutiae of your life I couldn't care less.
JHE
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It's been ugly for a long time.
There's quite a lot of ugly shit on this site. It's not just a feature of this site, though. It's a more general thing about the internet and about the way people like to slag off other people, including celebrities. (LP in her own little way is a celebrity and, like many celebrities, doesn't really deserve her celebrity.)
lauriepenny
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There have been a couple of points which are, if not legitimate criticism, then at least points that it's valid for me to address and think about. Being committed to intersectionality means I do have to think about how my background might affect what I write, for example. The thing is, I knew all that already, and if I want honest unbiased critique, I look for it elsewhere.
I don't expect to find useful critique on this thread because it's simply full of lies, distortions and people determined to think the worst of me- just as I wouldn't ask my most ardent fans to offer me vital critique on a piece, because I know they'd be biased.
Tufty, how you expect to change my mind whilst calling me things like an 'exploitative lying shit' is beyond me. If you actually want me to pay attention to you, treat me like a human being and don't start with baseless insults.
I don't expect to find useful critique on this thread because it's simply full of lies, distortions and people determined to think the worst of me- just as I wouldn't ask my most ardent fans to offer me vital critique on a piece, because I know they'd be biased.
Tufty, how you expect to change my mind whilst calling me things like an 'exploitative lying shit' is beyond me. If you actually want me to pay attention to you, treat me like a human being and don't start with baseless insults.
andysays
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Perhaps surprisingly, everyone who posts here is a "real person", and most are also trying their best to "do good work" in whatever way they can, although they perhaps spend rather less time blowing their own trumpets than someone I could mention.
And just so we're clear, are you claiming that as a "young woman" (many of those here also fall into that demographic, BTW), you are somehow above criticism in ways an "old man" like me would not be?
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
I actually believe you there and I'm sorry if you have become the focal point for a lot of working class leftists sick to the back teeth of the privileged acting for us. But you must understand where the anger comes from. We aren't looking for another Orwell or a saviour from the fabian set and it gets really fucking wearing to see the firebox and hari-loving set saying things for us. It also gets insulting.
You can, on occaison, write very good things- too often you don't, and you take the piss by not doing so. I'm about two steps away from the streets here, my prospects are zero and the sum total of my existence measures up to sweet fuck all. But you don't want to talk about disenfranchised alienated working class males do you?
J Ed
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And there we have it. You seem to have no idea how that comes across. Kind of sums up the entire thread.
also, lauriepenny the fucker that raped me this year (and his friends) are big fans of yours. they really appreciate all your privilege theory evangelising, and i'm *wrong* for thinking it's being misused.
this article was cited by my rapist and his friends to try and justify why i shouldn't report or name him, let alone speak out to anyone 'outside the group' about what he did. and some of these people *are* your friends. your real life, breathing,lets-meet-up-and-fix-it-with-tea, not-just-on-twitter friends.
on the 24th march, i ended up in hospital trying to section myself. posting on this thread was a major trigger - that's my problem not yours, and i appreciate that.
thankfully i've now realised that you and they are shitwits, and reported him. and his friends. for fucking harrassment over the last six months.
want to show some proper solidarity and write an article about the shit that's happened to me?
actually, i retract that. i wouldn't recognise your version of 'the truth' if it bit me on the arse.
/searingly honest post that some laurie pennys will find upsetting. if they've even got a shred of fucking humanity and compassion left in their vampire corpse.
i await your 'dignified silence' response with unbaited breath.
this article was cited by my rapist and his friends to try and justify why i shouldn't report or name him, let alone speak out to anyone 'outside the group' about what he did. and some of these people *are* your friends. your real life, breathing,lets-meet-up-and-fix-it-with-tea, not-just-on-twitter friends.
on the 24th march, i ended up in hospital trying to section myself. posting on this thread was a major trigger - that's my problem not yours, and i appreciate that.
thankfully i've now realised that you and they are shitwits, and reported him. and his friends. for fucking harrassment over the last six months.
want to show some proper solidarity and write an article about the shit that's happened to me?
actually, i retract that. i wouldn't recognise your version of 'the truth' if it bit me on the arse.
/searingly honest post that some laurie pennys will find upsetting. if they've even got a shred of fucking humanity and compassion left in their vampire corpse.
i await your 'dignified silence' response with unbaited breath.
'she didn't report her rapist. so why should you?'.I'm not really sure how that article could be used that way but (((tufty)))
andysays
Love and solidarity
Care to share? (Or share to care...)
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
and lauriepenny, this is also why i hate you (i don't go on twitter unless i am really fucking furious, and resent having to resort to it as a method of contact):
#phew?
#responsible journalism my arse
(just in case there's any confusion, i'm the 'grumpy midget from leeds' who was having that conversation with you)
(just in case there's any confusion, i'm the 'grumpy midget from leeds' who was having that conversation with you)
not as sorry as i am.
and thank you.your post was genuinely appreciated.
lauriepenny
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Tufty- I'm shocked to hear your rapist has been citing my work. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying happened- did they use the article to say you should or shouldn't name him? Either way, of course they are wrong- it should never a rape victim's duty to name or not name their attacker. Ironically, after that article was posted I got people telling me that my choice not to name the man involved was wrong- and people, including people on this thread, telling me I'd made it all up. I found that hugely triggering as I'm sure you understand.
And I'm sorry to hear you've been unwell. I know how that goes. I hope you're feeling better and receiving the treatment you need.
I find it hard to believe that friends of mine could have acted as you say- but then almost everyone DOES find it hard to believe, and that's how rape culture continues. If there's anything I can do to help, feel free to email me in total confidence- I will not share anything you write to me unless you specifically ask me to.
And I'm sorry to hear you've been unwell. I know how that goes. I hope you're feeling better and receiving the treatment you need.
I find it hard to believe that friends of mine could have acted as you say- but then almost everyone DOES find it hard to believe, and that's how rape culture continues. If there's anything I can do to help, feel free to email me in total confidence- I will not share anything you write to me unless you specifically ask me to.
lauriepenny
Member
'she didn't report her rapist, so why should you'?
This is deeply fucked up and I'm so sorry some prick said it to you. The reason I didn't report was I was convinced I wouldn't be believed - and it took a while for me to understand that what happened to me was rape. And the reason I thought that was because of people with attitudes like whatever sexist dickhead told you this.
This is deeply fucked up and I'm so sorry some prick said it to you. The reason I didn't report was I was convinced I wouldn't be believed - and it took a while for me to understand that what happened to me was rape. And the reason I thought that was because of people with attitudes like whatever sexist dickhead told you this.
lauriepenny
Member
Tufty, you asked me for some solidarity, and as a fellow survivor of rape who has been disbelieved and shamed for it- including on this thread- I tried to show it, and to assure you that I don't agree with my article about my own experience being used to shame others into silence. The offer is still open. I hope you're as ok as you can be right now.
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