Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[el-ahrairah]

Funny how otherkin are always dragons and lions and never voles or roaches.

if i google this to fact check, i know i'm going to regret it.

 

[DotCommunist]

i keep writing stuff and deleting it. this subject to is too big and none of my answers are both accurate and concise. save it for another day, i reckon.

was a plank of it going to be how in western capitalist socities commodified images of sex and succesful heteronormative relationships are pumped into our eyeballs daily on macro and micro levels and thus the asexual could be left feeling like freaks because the overt nature of the relationship and family unit are rammed down our throats relentlessly?

 

[el-ahrairah]

was a plank of it going to be how in western capitalist socities commodified images of sex and succesful heteronormative relationships are pumped into our eyeballs daily on macro and micro levels and thus the asexual could be left feeling like freaks because the overt nature of the relationship and family unit are rammed down our throats relentlessly?

in part, something like that.

 

[Idris2002]

If the opportunity ever arises, I'm nicking that.

"Boldly, I took it for my own".

 

[Limerick Red]

If the opportunity ever arises, I'm nicking that.

you mean crowdsourcing it!

 

[sihhi]

in part, something like that.

But unmarried women who seek no partners also experience this - it's the inevitable result from a sexist and privatised society.

 

[el-ahrairah]

But unmarried women who seek no partners also experience this - it's the inevitable result from a sexist and privatised society.

yup, that it is. no-one benefits - well, except those that do, obv.

 

[ViolentPanda]

I think this is worth quoting, even without comment, as it needs to be emphasised again and again.

Laurie can tell Malcolm not to listen to us 'babe' cos there's 'loads of better working class activists'. But she'd not dare say that about anyone black, gay or from a religious minority. They don't even apply their own theory consistently - intersectionality claims to take into account all forms of oppression yet in reality it uses forms of oppression other than class to completely remove class from their analysis.

They don't apply it consistently because it's impossible to apply consistently. The good side-effect is that it means that people utilising the system do show themselves up as hypocrites consistently.

 

[ViolentPanda]

On reflection, I reckon LP ghost wrote Watson's resignation letter for him.

Luckily for Watson, her poetic muse didn't strike, or the resignation letter could have been another "Saudade:

There are more of us than you think, kicking off our high-heeled shoes to run and being told "not in the corridors of power"

The best minds of my generation consumed by greed, expense account fetishism-

Who ripped tights and dripping make up hung alone in bedsits satsuma-in-mouth waiting for transfiguration.

Who ran half dressed out of department stores yelling that we didn’t want to work for the proles

Who glowing high and hopeful were the last to leave the bar our skin crackling with lust and sweat and pure ethanol

Who wrote poetry on each other’s arms and cared more about fucking people over than being fuckable

Etc, etc, etc.

 

[andysays]

was a plank of it going to be how in western capitalist societies commodified images of sex and successful hetero-normative relationships are pumped into our eyeballs daily on macro and micro levels and thus the asexual could be left feeling like freaks because the overt nature of the relationship and family unit are rammed down our throats relentlessly?

That's not a plank, it's a whole bloody timber yard

 

[J Ed]

On reflection, I reckon LP ghost wrote Watson's resignation letter for him.

lol that would explain so much!

 

[smokedout]

I have mixed thoughts on whether people who do BDSM are "oppressed"

plainly there's a lot of prejudice/misunderstandings about it but oppression? not sure. to me that like implies something systematic, although i'm sure with some of the laws that are on the books, the operation spanner case etc ...

sorry missed this, dont think that was his point (that people involved in bdsm are oppressed) - the idea i think was that any form of non traditional, non procreative sex was queer, whether blokes watching lesbian porn or a woman who fancies someone in a firemans uniform - the idea being that sexuality is about more than just making babies and man & wife and any deviation from that could be considered queer so leave people the fuck alone about who and how they fuck because you ain't any different

gotta remember this was in the 80s, when bdsm/fetish was invisible let alone fashionable, transgenderism would get you beaten up and possibly even arrested anywhere outside of soho, it was illegal to have sex if you were gay until you were 21 and it was a criminal offence to show an erect penis on film

there's been an astonishing social change towards sexuality in a very short period, and one that seems almost taken for granted, as if it has always been this way

 

[DotCommunist]

Are the thousand and one paraphilias and odd mental and bodily quirks that humans also oppression/privilege?

Also since when is Tom Watson Molly's (or anybody's friend)?

https://twitter.com/mollycrabapple/status/352840381186060288

On the 4th, friend and MP @tom_watson resigns from the shadow cabinet, in a marvelous letter

Here’s my parting thought:

John Humphrys asked me why you were not at Glastonbury this weekend. I said Labour leaders can’t be seen standing in muddy fields listening to bands. And then I thought how terribly sad that this is true. So: be that great Labour leader that you can be, but try to have a real life too. And if you want to see an awesome band, I recommend Drenge.

Yours sincerely,
Tom Watson
Member of Parliament

Tom Watson falls for the age old curse of having been to glastonbury- you have to mention it no matter how unrelated or inappropriate that might be.

 

[barney_pig]

i do believe that a former urbanite did some very good research into asexuality. interesting stuff. many people on ADs report a massive or total loss of their sexual drive - and indeed for some it turns out to be a very liberating positive thing.

Not for the person married to them though

 

[rekil]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/status/353902531065290754

I have not watched a single tennis match this year, because I wildly dislike twee patriotism, competitive sports and summer. I'm sorry.

Laura trolling the normals and sheeple. And she has twee patriotism and weird anglocentrism coming out her ears ffs. How's this. "I come from the best city in the world ever. I come from London." Not to mention all the Dr.Who/tube/tea/oxford union bollocks and general anglocentrism.

Surely "feminists" should be unconditionally supporting women involved in sport? Apropos of nothing: World numbers 5 and 11, Sara "anti-Inter" Errani and Roberta Vinci playing football.

 

[DotCommunist]

it is a pretty rich statement to make given that she is a danny boyle olympic ceremony style patriot, the bragg mould.

 

[frogwoman]

Laura talking about twee patriotism?

 

[J Ed]

Maybe she prefers bombastic marching patriotism

 

[frogwoman]

Yeah rather than the twee patriotism let's have the hardcore variety. Maybe she could do a charity walk and give the money to a charity that makes patriotism less twee.

 

[Favelado]

No wait! New York is the best city in the world . No, London. No, New York! Exactly what everyone in the media thinks because the Anglophone commentariat is so heavily based in those those two cities. If middle-class New Yorkers and Londoners spent more time talking to people from other cities at home and around the world, they wouldn't be so fucking unbearable.

With regards to "I don't like summer" etc. Maybe she does, maybe she doesn't. It's hard to know what's real just because of the sheer amount of posturing and dishonesty from her. I'm pretty sure she pretended to be drunk on her Twitter timeline the other week. All to create some kind of image or message or something.

Maybe she's just messed up, she had lots of problems when she was younger. Maybe she's just insecure and she just needs love and looking after. Maybe if she could drop all the posturing she could really become a decent journalist. Maybe that's what will happen one day.

Then again, maybe she'll end up dropping the politics, going for the filthy lucre and end up writing some kind of Burchill column for whoever will cough up for the next 40 years.

 

[J Ed]

She already interned at Spiked Online, I'm pretty sure she has no actual principles or those that she does have are malleable to say the least.

 

[frogwoman]

When did she do that?

 

[J Ed]

https://twitter.com/PennyRed/statuses/333567471955103745

 

[frogwoman]

Funnily enough I knew somebody in the SP who had done that ...

 

[DotCommunist]

She already interned at Spiked Online, I'm pretty sure she has no actual principles or those that she does have are malleable to say the least.

Spiked are such a bunch of cunts its not even funny. The worst sort of dabblers. Toe dipping into left politics in order to stand arch and comment from the eyrie of grown up eagalism. May they fucking rot from the inside out.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Funnily enough I knew somebody in the SP who had done that ...

You look like you've got a nasty case of the Arborophile's Ellipsis.

 

[newbie]

Catching up.

There's an agenormative factor to the pages of discussion about asexuality that troubles me. Probably the largest intersection to embrace both the reality and the liberation of the asexual life are the elderly, who have not been mentioned once. How dare an informed discussion of interesectional identification fail to take account of such a large group who are oppressed by such agenormative assumptions. That they simultaneously tut tut about the sexualisation of wider society, and thus may be seen as contributing to the oppression of the sexually active, is merely a paradox.

I think a serious examination of sexual privilege, if that's what it is (be honest, there's a strong body of elder thought that it's actually a driving force so strong as to be oppressive, and to be free of it is true liberation) is not only necessary but mandatory.


posted in solidarity with the asexual elders, but not seeking to speak for them.

 

[rosecore]

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 14h
Good grief, can't believe how much grief I'm getting for being a bit cynical about the tennis. Always surprises me how vicious people get.


Shiv Malik ‏@shivmalik1 1h
@PennyRed Don't play the victim. You were like a small child standing in front of the family TV trying to get attention.


Shiv Malik ‏@shivmalik1 1h
@PennyRed And then when everyone shouts at you to move out the way you start crying and telling them that they should move if they can't see

 

[J Ed]

Owen Jones intervenes lol... https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/354151957830705152

 

[DotCommunist]

Owen Jones intervenes lol... https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/354151957830705152

solidaritea at 4 pm