Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags
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agricola
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TBH its amazing how much Inverdale gets away with.
andysays
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Asked about Inverdale's comments, Bartoli said: "It doesn't matter, honestly. I am not blonde, yes. That is a fact. Have I dreamt about having a model contract? No. I'm sorry.
"But have I dreamed about winning Wimbledon? Absolutely, yes."
Not being a tennis fan, I've never heard of Marion Bartoli, but she clearly pisses all over John Inverdale in the class department.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Yes, lots of commentary on it in the sports forums - wouldn't say muted reaction personally, saw lots and lots of angry reactions since saturday and maybe two or three dickish ones.
Buckaroo
Donkey piss and tractors
It has and he apologised for saying she was ugly but reckoned he said it in a nice way.
Well that's alright then. I never mind when people say nasty things about my appearance if they reckon they're saying them in a nice way.
(At Inverdale, not you.)
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
His sexism is completely unacceptable. Inverdale, a very rich middle-class parent of two, imagines this to be supportive parenting towards 12-14 year old girls (in his mind, he's bigging up her dad):
"Listen, you are never going to be, you know, a looker. You are never going to be somebody like a Sharapova, you're never going to be 5ft 11, you're never going to be somebody with long legs so you have to compensate for that. You are going to have to be the most dogged, determined fighter that anyone has ever seen on the tennis court if you are going to make it'
Justine Henin was shorter than Bartoli, Serena is 5cm taller, Radwanska is only 2cm taller. What does being a champion and height have to do with determination? On what level does it have to with the sport?
No televised apology explaining why it's wrong to judge people on the basis of their appearances (he has led the Radio 5 Live paralympic and disabled sport coverage), nothing for a women's organisation in order to actually make amends.
"Listen, you are never going to be, you know, a looker. You are never going to be somebody like a Sharapova, you're never going to be 5ft 11, you're never going to be somebody with long legs so you have to compensate for that. You are going to have to be the most dogged, determined fighter that anyone has ever seen on the tennis court if you are going to make it'
Justine Henin was shorter than Bartoli, Serena is 5cm taller, Radwanska is only 2cm taller. What does being a champion and height have to do with determination? On what level does it have to with the sport?
No televised apology explaining why it's wrong to judge people on the basis of their appearances (he has led the Radio 5 Live paralympic and disabled sport coverage), nothing for a women's organisation in order to actually make amends.
RubyToogood
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While we're on sexism by sports commentators, one of ITV's Tour de France commentators said the other day "Somebody tell Geraint Thomas's mum that it's safe to come out of the kitchen now, because he's finished".
(He had a cracked pelvis.)
(He had a cracked pelvis.)
J Ed
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This is interesting - an Egyptian critique of the politics of identity and their consequences on what is happening there http://linkis.com/www.madamasr.com/con/cxxw
This is also interesting, a review of Vivek Chibber's new book 'Postcolonial Theory and the Specter of Capital', a critique of 'Subaltern Studies', which has undoubtedly had an influence on a lot of the identity / privilege / intersectionalista politics: http://www.solidarity-us.org/node/3937
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
Better link here:- http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index/12779/on-sheep-and-infidels
It's not really about identity politics in the sense it's used in intersectinal feminism.
It's about Egypt with useful observations but it's the voice of a liberal as you can see here "I voted for Mohamed Morsi in the second round of the presidential elections (to keep out Ahmed Shafiq)."
Every socialist group called for a boycott in the second round to register disgust with both betrayers of the uprising even before they took office.
J Ed
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You are right, but this is the bit that resonated most with me "I state all this because Egyptian politics and society in general are split along identity lines in a way that they have never been in the last three years. This problem is so chronic that the merits or flaws of an argument are almost entirely determined by who is making the argument in a haze of fury and suspicion."
Liberal or not the author could very easily be talking about a lot of situations that have left me feeling very frustrated in the past.
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SpineyNorman
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Can someone please tell me what
If I had to guess I'd usually think outside genitals was a euphemism for a willy (with inside genitals as a euphemism for a front bottom) but I don't think that's what she means. Seriously, has anyone got a clue what she's on about here?
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If I had to guess I'd usually think outside genitals was a euphemism for a willy (with inside genitals as a euphemism for a front bottom) but I don't think that's what she means. Seriously, has anyone got a clue what she's on about here?
i have no idea. i didn't know that non-hetero people had different genitals *checks own, then remembers that all ladybits are different anyway*
SpineyNorman
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i have no idea. i didn't know that non-hetero people had different genitals *checks own, then remembers that all ladybits are different anyway*
My nan had an outside toilet - maybe they're genitals that are suited to using facilities like those - maybe they don't shrink in the cold or something? Although if this is the case then the 'hetero-aligned' part remains a mystery.
SpineyNorman
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Just to be clear, I have no interest in Laurie Penny's genitals - whether they be inside, outside, hetero-aligned or otherwise - I'm just confused by the terminology used 
SpineyNorman
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nor have i. and so am i. but i *am* interested in my own. after having had a good stare/rummage, i would like to start a misaligned genital equality for all!!!1!!2!! campaign
reckon we could crowdsource funding?
Mine are misaligned too - after spending about 20 minutes with a spirit level I can tell you (whether you want to know or not) that my left pendulum is a good 5mm lower than my right one - is this normal
Apparently hetero-aligned outside genitals means she is cis-gendered. I still don't really understand what non-hetero-aligned genitals might be though. Surely if someone born with male genitals has an operation to turn them into female genitals they're a woman anyway and so they have hetero-aligned outside genitals too? Isn't she implicitly saying that trans women aren't really women? Or would trans women (or men for that matter) who either haven't had the op yet or don't intend to have non-hetero-aligned genitals?
It's almost like this language is custom designed to make people say offensive stuff by accident. I'm glad I've seen it on here and had the chance to find out what it means because if I was a bit pissed and someone said something to me about outside genitals I'd probably say something stupid like 'are you saying you've got a cock lol' which would be a fucking terrible thing to say to a trans person
I've only known a couple of trans people in my time but thankfully they spoke in English rather than intersectional wankspeak so this problem never came up.
every cis woman should own a cock, tbf (disclaimer: if they want to. and assuming there's no assexuality bias. and fuckit, fleshlights are fine too if i'm going for full equality. we'll have no phallocentry here etc)It's almost like this language is custom designed to make people say offensive stuff by accident. I'm glad I've seen it on here and had the chance to find out what it means because if I was a bit pissed and someone said something to me about outside genitals I'd probably say something stupid like 'are you saying you've got a cock lol' which would be a fucking terrible thing to say to a trans person
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Tom A
Goat among sheep
And to get people to build preconceptions and make judgements on a large swathe of people in an [oppressed group] even though the majority do speak English (or whatever language is commonplace where they live/grew up in), rather than Intersectionalese.
I'm glad I've seen it on here and had the chance to find out what it means because if I was a bit pissed and someone said something to me about outside genitals I'd probably say something stupid like 'are you saying you've got a cock lol' which would be a fucking terrible thing to say to a trans person
With some of the more twatty types, it's almost is if they dig the pitfall just so they can attack you when you stray into it. Of course, the oppressed person makes the rules, those that are called out have no right to appeal, only to grovel, admit how wrong they are and to beg for their allydom to be reinstated
But using terminology that only their fellow intersectional brethren will understand is just asking for trouble, not only will no one in The Real World™ understand a bloody word of it, it's downright elitist, attacking people who don't understand the lingo. "Hetero-aligned outside genitals" - that's just gobbledygook - WTF does it mean?!? It's almost parody! At least (thanks to A level chemistry) I knew immediately what was meant by "cisgender", and have no more a problem with the term any I would with "heterosexual".This is how I deal with those who are prone towards "intersectional wankspeak" - apologise for any faux pas I end up committing that offend said person, but not for getting confused by their intersectional jargon. If they accept it and not set out to tar and feather me - good. If not, then I add them to the long list of people who's opinions I don't give a shit about
SpineyNorman
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I don't even get what he's on about - I just did a google image search and, to use the language Laurie used about Andy Murray (and since it's Lauriespeak it can't be objectification),
SpineyNorman
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Also in the case of cismen (and indeed transwomen who haven't had sexual reassignment surgery), one bollock usually (if not always) dangles lower than the other, so how's that for misalignment?
I'm a pipe fitter by trade. If it's not perfectly level it's fucking misaligned
my pipe's well fitHaving a pipe that's fitter than mine is a kind of privilege too, you know
the wonders of mirrors and cameraphonesHow many people will be fishing out their plumblines (or fashioning their own makeshift ones) and spirit levels to check the alignment of their various organs by the end of tonight, I wonder?
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