Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[frogwoman]

My grandma often says offensive things about Muslims, black people and how she likes Nigel Farage. I used to argue with her a lot about these things but then I thought that I might be silencing the voice of an elderly person who is not as privileged as me because of her age, so then I stopped arguing with her. But she always tells me how much she enjoys arguing and wants an argument, so is my not wanting to have an argument with her on topics such as immigration, the greatness of thatcher and so on just me trying to silence her voice again by stopping her arguing with me?

 

[sihhi]

My grandma often says offensive things about Muslims, black people and how she likes Nigel Farage. I used to argue with her a lot about these things but then I thought that I might be silencing the voice of an elderly person who is not as privileged as me because of her age, so then I stopped arguing with her. But she always tells me how much she enjoys arguing and wants an argument, so is my not wanting to have an argument with her on topics such as immigration, the greatness of thatcher and so on just me trying to silence her voice again by stopping her arguing with me?

You're not allowed to take this piss out of this stuff, frogwoman.
bc you're not a credible intersectionalist, no status as a real activist.
On th other hand people like LP or Ellie-Mae O Hagan are able to do so - both do their activism as "work for a living", so for them to make jokes about 'heterosexual genitalia' or misuse the concept for trigger warnings for fun is acceptable - it's legitimate destressing.

https://twitter.com/MissEllieMae/status/354522735893942273

Labour's real selection scandal | Len McCluskey http://gu.com/p/3h6e9/tw via @guardian [TRIGGER WARNING: CONTAINS PICTURE OF BLAIR]

 

[stethoscope]

If its any consolation @SpineyNorman, I haven't got a fucking clue what 'hetero-aligned outside genitals' is supposed to mean either, and I ought to know about these things.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's a bit surprising that there's been no mention of Bartoli's painting anywhere. Derivative? Hetero-normative? Anti-intersectional? A little bit patriarchy?

<ProleDem interlude>
It is obvious from the suspiciously-erect stem of the rose, that the painting signifies both the quotidian nature of heteronormativity, with the thrusting rampancy of the male genitals making incursions whether welcome or not, and the essential artificiality of heterosexual relations in general, shrouded as they are with ritualistic behaviour such as flower-giving in the hope of sexual contact. That the painting also signifies the indoctrination of the young into this bourgeois perversion of natural sexuality, reveals the artist's true understanding of the mockery that is heteronormative sexuality.
</ProleDem interlude>

 

[rekil]

<ProleDem interlude>
It is obvious from the suspiciously-erect stem of the rose, that the painting signifies both the quotidian nature of heteronormativity, with the thrusting rampancy of the male genitals making incursions whether welcome or not, and the essential artificiality of heterosexual relations in general, shrouded as they are with ritualistic behaviour such as flower-giving in the hope of sexual contact. That the painting also signifies the indoctrination of the young into this bourgeois perversion of natural sexuality, reveals the artist's true understanding of the mockery that is heteronormative sexuality.
</ProleDem interlude>

However, the prominent delineation of the rose, an emblem of so-called socialism, the jezebelesque hand maiden of class collaborationist liberalism, is clearly intended to 'cock a snook' at communism, particularly proper communism (proletarian democracy). Although we congratulate citizen Bartoli on her victory and naturally offer fanatically unconditional support against the common enemy, the male chauvinist private school sham BBC bell-end Inverdale, we feel compelled to provide an urgent but gentle reminder that tennis, like all sports, is an extreme form of Martovism and that by committing herself to her career and neglecting the current all-out no-nonsense class struggle, she is playing with fire.

The green snake of eco-fascism in there as well. Fucking hell.

 

[cesare]

Pedantry being alive and well: cock a snook

 

[rekil]

Ahhhh hetero-aligned outside genitals.

 

[cesare]

Ahhhh hetero-aligned outside genitals.

 

[Idris2002]

Long live non-alignment!

 

[The39thStep]

 

[frogwoman]

How do I tell whether my genitals are aligned? is it time to get a ruler out? may be a bit tricky

 

[The39thStep]

How do I tell whether my genitals are aligned? is it time to get a ruler out? may be a bit tricky

 

[frogwoman]

is that some sort of BDSM device?

 

[The39thStep]

Its one of Proletarian Democracy's prototype gender realignment tools but at the moment its only solar powered

 

[caleb]

 

[caleb]

Going back to the asexuality stuff, libcom have uploaded an archive of 'Solidarity for Social Revolution', full of interesting stuff, but also some shocking shit. There's an article called 'Thoughts on my Sexuality' which, well, have a read:

http://libcom.org/files/solidarity-04.pdf

 

[Idris2002]

Going back to the asexuality stuff, libcom have uploaded an archive of 'Solidarity for Social Revolution', full of interesting stuff, but also some shocking shit. There's an article called 'Thoughts on my Sexuality' which, well, have a read:

http://libcom.org/files/solidarity-04.pdf

That's a shame, 'cause the rest of that mag looks pretty good.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

That's a shame, 'cause the rest of that mag looks pretty good.

The bit reclaiming Robert Conquest for libertarian communism was a corker anyway.

 

[caleb]

Full archive here:

http://libcom.org/library/solidarity-social-revolution-journal

Sure, there's some questionable stuff but I appreciate the eclecticism and the attempt to do some serious stuff, alongside covering disputes, every day life and so on. Earlier on in the thread we've been talking about the output of ISN student group 'revsoc' with their zines and online blogs, and it makes even the most questionable stuff in here look excellent.

edit: apart from that male separatist one, nothing can redeem that.

 

[Nigel Irritable]

Full archive here:

http://libcom.org/library/solidarity-social-revolution-journal

Sure, there's some questionable stuff but I appreciate the eclecticism and the attempt to do some serious stuff, alongside covering disputes, every day life and so on. Earlier on in the thread we've been talking about the output of ISN student group 'revsoc' with their zines and online blogs, and it makes even the most questionable stuff in here look excellent.

As magazines go, it was interesting enough and it did contain useful material. But it also contained a large quantity of absolute horseshit. "Questionable" is an overly polite euphemism.

 

[Idris2002]

The bit reclaiming Robert Conquest for libertarian communism was a corker anyway.

Come on, Nigel, you knew I was a middle-class reformist when you married me.

As for the male sexuality piece in that link, well it calls to me Levi-Strauss' line about Sartrean existentialism, that it was founded on the error of elevating one's own personal problems to the level of universal philosophical questions.

 

[TruXta]

Come on, Nigel, you knew I was a middle-class reformist when you married me.

As for the male sexuality piece in that link, well it calls to me Levi-Strauss' line about Sartrean existentialism, that it was founded on the error of elevating one's own personal problems to the level of universal philosophical questions.

Errrrr... where would philosophy be without that strategy?

 

[Idris2002]

Errrrr... where would philosophy be without that strategy?

Fewer black polonecks sitting around saying "if existence precedes essence" while smoking them strong French fags.

 

[TruXta]

Fewer black polonecks sitting around saying "if existence precedes essence" while smoking them strong French fags.

Meaning, we'd have no one to bitch about.

 

[cesare]

Meaning, we'd have no one to bitch about.

Foucauld to bitch about

 

[TruXta]

Foucauld to bitch about

Not a Kant in sight.

 

[Idris2002]

Hegel, don't bother me.

 

[cesare]

Not a Kant in sight.

Every one's a Winner \0/

 

[cesare]

Hegel, don't bother me.

Getting run of the Mill now

 

[TruXta]

Ayer, that'd be something.