Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[chilango]

How d'you make a Maltese Cross? Huh?

 

[andysays]

Nothing about Laurie is unimportant, obvs

 

[el-ahrairah]

fuck off Casually_Red, you plonker.

 

[frogwoman]

Nothing about Laurie is unimportant, obvs

I'm glad that my dad doesn't know of the existence of Laurie Penny, when the Bernie Madoff scandal happened a few years ago he got in a total panic because he thought the jews were now going to be seen as untrustworthy and greedy lol, because Bernie was a Jewish banking fraudster. I remember him googling the religions of other fraudsters and asking me whether I knew if they were jews or not.

 

[andysays]

I'm glad that my dad doesn't know of the existence of Laurie Penny, when the Bernie Madoff scandal happened a few years ago he got in a total panic because he thought the jews were now going to be seen as untrustworthy and greedy lol, because Bernie was a Jewish banking fraudster. I remember him googling the religions of other fraudsters and asking me whether I knew if they were jews or not.

Don't worry mate, if when he does discover her existence (can't believe there's anyone who hasn't already...) just tell him she's a Maltesa

 

[frogwoman]

Don't worry mate, if when he does discover her existence (can't believe there's anyone who hasn't already...) just tell him she's a Maltesa

those poor unfortunates who haven't discovered Penny's existence yet

 

[agricola]

I'm glad that my dad doesn't know of the existence of Laurie Penny, when the Bernie Madoff scandal happened a few years ago he got in a total panic because he thought the jews were now going to be seen as untrustworthy and greedy lol, because Bernie was a Jewish banking fraudster. I remember him googling the religions of other fraudsters and asking me whether I knew if they were jews or not.

Thank heavens for the existence of "Lord" Eddie Davenport then.

 

[captainmission]

What about Steptoe & Son?

I think we need an intersectional analysis of keeping up appearences. A brave woman oppressed for her age and gender fighting her way into a patriarchal establishment that rejects her, all the while hounded by a brutish working class (onslow) that refuses to check his male privaledge. It basically the laurie penny story.

 

[andysays]

I think we need an intersectional analysis of keeping up appearences. A brave woman oppressed for her age and gender fighting her way into a patriarchal establishment that rejects her, all the while hounded by a brutish working class (onslow) that refuses to check his male privaledge. It basically the laurie penny story.

There's a PhD thesis in this for someone...

 

[Libertad]

The most oppressed person in Dad's Army is plainly the German airmen who are captured by the platoon.

Point of Order Cmbbe.

The captured Germans were submariners. This automatically places them at the bottom of the stack.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

I think we need an intersectional analysis of keeping up appearences. A brave woman oppressed for her age and gender fighting her way into a patriarchal establishment that rejects her, all the while hounded by a brutish working class (onslow) that refuses to check his male privaledge. It basically the laurie penny story.

This could be an addition to Alan Bennett's Talking Heads monologues; one where Patricia Routledge plays our heroine, looking wistfully (and not entirely accurately or consistently) back over her intersectional life and her dreams of full communism, as she gets ready for a 'reunion do' at the Firebox cafe. In the end she decides not to go, but rights it up glowingly in her diary all the same.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm glad that my dad doesn't know of the existence of Laurie Penny, when the Bernie Madoff scandal happened a few years ago he got in a total panic because he thought the jews were now going to be seen as untrustworthy and greedy lol, because Bernie was a Jewish banking fraudster. I remember him googling the religions of other fraudsters and asking me whether I knew if they were jews or not.

Keep reading that as baader meinhoff

 

[rekil]

I half buy it for this:

Why would residents of a small ('tiny' according to LP) town with what, 2 or 3 streets of shops, suddenly start walking into fake fronts, especially after the sham has been so well publicised. It reminds me of when there used to be regular only in Ireland! 'funny bits' at the end of the news.

 

[The Pale King]

Bargain. 40 quid to listen to Gary Younge say that Obama is a bit disappointing.

You could go and see Neil Young for less ffs.

Grauniad trying anything and everything to raise cash - things beginning to get desperate now I think. How long before they move to web only and stop printing the paper altogether?

 

[The Pale King]

The most oppressed person in Dad's Army is plainly the German airmen who are captured by the platoon. while they are privileged over Jones and Fraser who are older and more unattractive than they are, they are oppressed because of their nationality. Captain Mainwaring is a privileged oppressor, when the German airman asks Pike what his name is he uses his superior status to say "Don't tell him, Pike," speaking for him and denying Pike his experiences because he is younger and less educated, he patronises him by assuming that he was going to say his name. He also routinely denigrates him by calling him "a stupid boy". But when the German airman asserts himself against his oppression by saying "your name will go on the list" Pike displays his English Home Guardsman, whistling ability, and intellectual privilege by singing "Whistle while you work, Hitler is a twerp" and oppressing the differently abled in his language when he says "he's half barmy, so's his army".

At the same time, in another episode when Wilson and Jones are holding an unexploded bomb, Jones stops being a good intersectional ally and shows his unrestrained masculinity when he says, "I am going to put this bank under Martial Law!" This violent, macho rhetoric shows the unexamined privilege that Jones benefits from and which damages us all. And when Fraser tells his stories about being doomed, he is speaking for Jones, Wilson, Mainwaring and Pike and denying them from expressing the reality of their oppression, because to them they might not feel they are doomed.

Where does (Cde.) Barry Mainwaring come into this?

 

[Libertad]

Where does (Cde.) Barry Mainwaring come into this?

Cmbbe. Barry was keeping watch.

 

[The Pale King]

• 1. Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 4h
  2. @Mr_S_Clean @sazza_jay @mjrobbins Where I lead, she follows. But as she's right I don't mind @pennyred came out w/similiar after my piece
  3. 1. 1. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 39m
           @LouiseMensch @mr_s_clean @sazza_jay @mjrobbins I haven't read your piece- enjoyed S's and @stavvers', recommend.
     
     Mensch trolls Penny

 

[rekil]

From a few pages back.

Where Mensch leads, Penny follows!

Mensch lurking? Shit off Louise.

• 1. Louise Mensch ‏@LouiseMensch 4h
  2. @Mr_S_Clean @sazza_jay @mjrobbins Where I lead, she follows. But as she's right I don't mind @pennyred came out w/similiar after my piece

 

[frogwoman]

Where does (Cde.) Barry Mainwaring come into this?

A tired old relic of the class-obsessed male left

 

[sihhi]

M'lady @mollycrabapple is in GITMO drawing the camps and being a badass.

M'lady - short for my ladyship - spoken by service sector workers to rich women in Britain -

 

[rekil]

M'lady - short for my ladyship - spoken by service sector workers to rich women in Britain -

Dogtanian And The Three Muskehounds reference I reckon.

Spoiler

 

[Limerick Red]

Dogtanian And The Three Muskehounds reference I reckon.

Spoiler

Spoiler

aaaagh that tunes going to be stuck in me head for days!

 

[Casually Red]

M'lady - short for my ladyship - spoken by service sector workers to rich women in Britain -

i think Ron Burgundy called Veronica Corningstone mlady just after boning her

 

[Casually Red]

fuck off Casually_Red, you plonker.

what the fuck did i do now

 

[Casually Red]

You wouldn't have to go out with me for a few months before you put your hand on my arse. Christ, I'd think you were slow if you didn't have me up against the staircase wall of your flats after a week of courting.

i was trying to stay in character with my new avatar thats supposed to endear me to feminists more ,as opposed to my usual 5 legged elephant riverdancing accross the Urban75 minefield of sexuality.
Its possible I may have erred a tad too much on the safeside in an attempt not to unwittingly antagonise anyone .

 

[Mandalaa]

Just a quick one. Seaneen Molloy, quoted in the Laurie Penny article, is by a stunning co-incidence also an aspiring writer and blogger and looks keen on a career in journalism, and is one Laurie's twitter pals ie https://twitter.com/brain_opera/status/320300981646684160 . It would be nice to hear a quote from someone who's outside the London writer/blogger/acitivist clique every once in a while. So there's Rhian Jones and Seaneen Molloy. And someone else who may or may not be accusing her of lying. It might be worth going through some of Laurie's other articles and checking the quotes from people for evidence of mutual backscratching and schmoozing.

Here's her website http://seaneenmolloy.co.uk/?page_id=8



It's never easy to write your own "about me" thing, but she does ok there I think. Building a personal brand comes easier to some than others. I daresay being comfortable with rank egotism is something that comes easier to public schoolkids than the rest of us. My personal brand, for example, is pretty atrocious and a travesty and an embarassment. The only consolation is it's an improvement on my real-life personality

And I'd like to add, having read her blog on a number of occasions it's worth pointing out that Molloy, in my opinion at least, is an infintely better writer than Laurie Penny with much more to say. Not saying it's perfect or beyond criticism or owt, but I don't feel like I'm being lied to when I read that stuff, or feel that i'm in danger of cringing myself to death. She writes with an assuredness that comes from lived experience, not voyeuristically milking others trials and tribulations to build a career. It should be the likes of Penny kissing her arse, not the other way round. Molloy is far more deserving of a national media platform than Penny, but then again I don't reckon Molloy went to a very posh school and then Oxbridge. She's definitely not as good at monetising her personal brand. They're good at that the rich kids. Thatcher's children y'see. It's almost like an instinct - they see a greasy pole and they know how to climb up it.

Lovely to see some 'Neen promotion on here. This lady is the genuine article, an outstanding writer with extensive experience of life on the fringes of society. However, I think what you've written here about Laurie is a little harsh. She's also got genuine experiences of her own to draw on and inform her work. Yes, I am sure going to Oxford was rather helpful in terms of networking and building a higher profile career but I don't like the implication that said experiences are any less valid as a result of her being afforded certain privileges.


However I'd like to focus this post on encouraging anyone who hasn't to read Seaneen's mental health blog. It's a fantastic insight into the contemporary politics, personal experience and unjust marginalisation of those living with mental illness. It's been a great help to me, as has the lady herself whom I am truly blessed to know.

 

[tufty79]

i think laurie and seaneen both wrote for 'one in four' (mh magazine) at the same time.
might be wrong though.

i think seaneen is alright - again, i'm quite proficient at being wrong though

 

[butchersapron]

Lovely to see some 'Neen promotion on here. This lady is the genuine article, an outstanding writer with extensive experience of life on the fringes of society. However, I think what you've written here about Laurie is a little harsh. She's also got genuine experiences of her own to draw on and inform her work. Yes, I am sure going to Oxford was rather helpful in terms of networking and building a higher profile career but I don't like the implication that said experiences are any less valid as a result of her being afforded certain privileges.


However I'd like to focus this post on encouraging anyone who hasn't to read Seaneen's mental health blog. It's a fantastic insight into the contemporary politics, personal experience and unjust marginalisation of those living with mental illness. It's been a great help to me, as has the lady herself whom I am truly blessed to know.

What does valid mean?

 

[el-ahrairah]

It's been a great help to me, as has the lady herself whom I am truly blessed to know.

Hello Seaneen, welcome to urban.

 

[Mandalaa]

What does valid mean?

What does "What does valid mean?" mean?