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frogwoman said:
Bishop Brennan is oppressed and privileged at the same time. He is privileged by class and the fact that as a bishop he has a senior rank to Ted, Dougal and Father Jack. However, he is also oppressed because of the patriarchal expectations of the church expecting him not to have a girlfriend and a son in California. When Father Jack discovers the video of Bishop Brennan, the girlfriend and the son on holiday on the beach and plays it to him he is in fact engaging in a form of "bishop-shaming" which aims to humiliate Bishop Brennan by highlighting the fact that he has gone against the patriarchy of the Vatican by secretly having a child. Dougal also uses ableist behaviour when he hides the rabbits in Bishop Brennan's room, oppressing him because of his phobia of rabbits. When Father Ted kicks Bishop Brennan up the arse far from the working class hero getting on over on "the man" as many so-called leftists would say, he is actually using his priest privilege (of not being a bishop so not having as much to lose) and the privilege of his superior strength to create a huge amount of oppression, which lasts until Bishop Brennan comes out of his coma. As an outsider in the Craggy Island community Bishop Brennan is doubly oppressed, both by Ted and by the fact that as a stranger from the "mainland" he is not familiar with the island ways.

copliker Idris2002
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And all because I mentioned priests and lingerie departments...:oops: Anyway, good work all. Privilege theory in relation to Father Ted makes more sense than most of the other intersectionality rubbish... :D
 
frogwoman said:
this is like therapy.
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Exactly what occurred to me, reading the flyer sihhi posted.
The problem with it, if it is "therapy", is that it's not open-ended - it doesn't allow a person undertaking it to reach their own conclusion, it very deliberately guides the person undertaking it to reach a pre-ordained conclusion: That they're sexist, misogynist and chauvinistic, even if they don't actually manifest those traits.

It's like one of those mea culpa exercises that liberals occasionally undertake in order to feel good about themselves.
 
frogwoman said:
Bishop Brennan is oppressed and privileged at the same time. He is privileged by class and the fact that as a bishop he has a senior rank to Ted, Dougal and Father Jack. However, he is also oppressed because of the patriarchal expectations of the church expecting him not to have a girlfriend and a son in California. When Father Jack discovers the video of Bishop Brennan, the girlfriend and the son on holiday on the beach and plays it to him he is in fact engaging in a form of "bishop-shaming" which aims to humiliate Bishop Brennan by highlighting the fact that he has gone against the patriarchy of the Vatican by secretly having a child. Dougal also uses ableist behaviour when he hides the rabbits in Bishop Brennan's room, oppressing him because of his phobia of rabbits. When Father Ted kicks Bishop Brennan up the arse far from the working class hero getting on over on "the man" as many so-called leftists would say, he is actually using his priest privilege (of not being a bishop so not having as much to lose) and the privilege of his superior strength to create a huge amount of oppression, which lasts until Bishop Brennan comes out of his coma. As an outsider in the Craggy Island community Bishop Brennan is doubly oppressed, both by Ted and by the fact that as a stranger from the "mainland" he is not familiar with the island ways.

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So where does that leave the Holy Stone of Clonrickert (except up Len Brennan's arse)?
 
Article on intersectionality. I am confused.

Whites' "ego" complaints re: Black stars = 1) "they shouldn't be rich, I should! I'm White!" 2) "Blacks should be subservient..ahem humble!"

And that's the gist. B/c of course their personality demands of Black stars doesn't exist for White ones. Typical WS 101 stuff...
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WS is white supremacy.

Resulting in this analysis:



I checked Kanye West and ego and it has 9,360,000 results which is LOWER than Rihanna. Jay-Z has 4,290,000 which is LOWER than Beyonce. (The fact that Kim Kardashian, only has 5,910,000 compared to Rih and Bey is astounding but not surprising.)
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This naked worldwide racism and sexism on a point that is crucial to the struggle of non-white working-class females appears monstrous. However ...
Beyonce has a song called 'Ego'. There is a Nigerian female singer called Ego (pronounced egg-'short o') Iheanacho who is often refered to discussed as a Rihanna lite or West Africa's Rihanna.

(Also the term 'alter ego' is searched and written as a whole a lot about both these singers and Lady Gaga more so than someone like Adele who has a single schtick.) Type in any other black singer and the hits are well down.

Does the higher incidence of hits for female name+ego (as opposed to male name ego) might reflect the fact that the internet is just polluted with often sexualised pictures of female celebrities, simply because we live in sexualised sexist society hence money, ads etc. After all a straight search of Beyonce gives 279million compared to Kanye at 171million.
So I am genuinely confused. Is this a psychological instinct to pick a bone with the research a desperate plea to minimise the effects of racism and sexism?
This is the problem with all the cultural and media chatter analysis it makes people second guess why they aren't particularly enfuriated at Game of Thrones for its pretty obvious 'imperialist saviourism'-type storyline (I haven't seen that or any other episode of it).
Normally people'd think 'well, ordinary people like me have better more real concerns to press for'
under the pressure of the middle-class intersectionalists it's becoming 'wait, do I not give a crap, because I'm white?' [ignoring their class status], and because people dislike racism a lot, the answer tends to 'yes probably - it's the way white people are, after all'.
 
frogwoman said:
Bishop Brennan is oppressed and privileged at the same time. He is privileged by class and the fact that as a bishop he has a senior rank to Ted, Dougal and Father Jack. However, he is also oppressed because of the patriarchal expectations of the church expecting him not to have a girlfriend and a son in California. When Father Jack discovers the video of Bishop Brennan, the girlfriend and the son on holiday on the beach and plays it to him he is in fact engaging in a form of "bishop-shaming" which aims to humiliate Bishop Brennan by highlighting the fact that he has gone against the patriarchy of the Vatican by secretly having a child. Dougal also uses ableist behaviour when he hides the rabbits in Bishop Brennan's room, oppressing him because of his phobia of rabbits. When Father Ted kicks Bishop Brennan up the arse far from the working class hero getting on over on "the man" as many so-called leftists would say, he is actually using his priest privilege (of not being a bishop so not having as much to lose) and the privilege of his superior strength to create a huge amount of oppression, which lasts until Bishop Brennan comes out of his coma. As an outsider in the Craggy Island community Bishop Brennan is doubly oppressed, both by Ted and by the fact that as a stranger from the "mainland" he is not familiar with the island ways.

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"Bishop bashing" surely?
 
[quote="sihhi, post: 12329674, member:

Demands of men by (superior) feminist men.

1. Request consent from females for every instance of sexualised behaviour. - Fine.
2. Stop withdrawing emotionally. ??!?[/quote]

im sorry but thats not fine, i seriously cannot imagine ever going out with someone for a few months and asking them if its ok first before i do this or that ...mid hug...is it ok if i feel your bum.... Thats utter bollocks. Relationships dont work like that for non freaks . You have to feel your way along..literally . I think a woman would get seriously annoyed and frustrated having to put up with that noinsense , tell me to fuck off and call me a weirdo if i started doing that . Or if anyone else did.

feminist men are full of shit if thats what theyre coming out with
 
Delroy Booth said:
Not so sure about that, isn't it the case that the American labour movement won some of it's most important victories, and experienced some of it's strongest growth, during the periods in the 30's through to the 50's where the mafia were involved? After all, you don't scab if your union is run by the sort of guys who break legs for a living. This is true incidentally of the British labour movement, which actually experienced some of it's most important early growth in the years of the Combination Acts, from iirc 1799 to 1824, when they were essentially outlaw movements that we'd have called gangsters if they were around today. Not only did operating outside the law strengthen an discipline these unions, nothing builds a bit of solidarity between the workers than going out Ludding as Hobsbawn once said, it gave them some real muscle too - they were more than happy to use violence to keep their unions disciplined.

I mean there's a lot of politics going on there, I wouldn't know where to begin with the American stuff to be honest.
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as well as that you get links between the bigger gangsters and politicians, who get lobbied by business interests . Rarely ends well for workers . Gangsters are just deregulated capitalists at the end of the day .
 
Casually Red said:
you know damn well thats not what they mean . Its the slippery slope to frenzied wolfbagging and well you know it . Under the guise of initial emotional openness . Its not something that could ever end well .
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Had to Google Wolfbagging, rather I hadn't, much as I like bacon. Does that mean I'm emotionally closed and a massive anti-Feminist bastard then?
 
sihhi said:
Article on intersectionality. I am confused.



WS is white supremacy.

Resulting in this analysis:




This naked worldwide racism and sexism on a point that is crucial to the struggle of non-white working-class females appears monstrous. However ...
Beyonce has a song called 'Ego'. There is a Nigerian female singer called Ego (pronounced egg-'short o') Iheanacho who is often refered to discussed as a Rihanna lite or West Africa's Rihanna.

(Also the term 'alter ego' is searched and written as a whole a lot about both these singers and Lady Gaga more so than someone like Adele who has a single schtick.) Type in any other black singer and the hits are well down.

Does the higher incidence of hits for female name+ego (as opposed to male name ego) might reflect the fact that the internet is just polluted with often sexualised pictures of female celebrities, simply because we live in sexualised sexist society hence money, ads etc. After all a straight search of Beyonce gives 279million compared to Kanye at 171million.
So I am genuinely confused. Is this a psychological instinct to pick a bone with the research a desperate plea to minimise the effects of racism and sexism?
This is the problem with all the cultural and media chatter analysis it makes people second guess why they aren't particularly enfuriated at Game of Thrones for its pretty obvious 'imperialist saviourism'-type storyline (I haven't seen that or any other episode of it).
Normally people'd think 'well, ordinary people like me have better more real concerns to press for'
under the pressure of the middle-class intersectionalists it's becoming 'wait, do I not give a crap, because I'm white?' [ignoring their class status], and because people dislike racism a lot, the answer tends to 'yes probably - it's the way white people are, after all'.
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thats it....thats fucking it ..the last bastard straw. I cant take any more and they have to fucking die :mad::mad::mad: .
Either that or an actual real re education camp to knock that shite out of them for good . Or die in one . If not the left in the west is utterly doomed . Doomed as in Dads army ddooooommmed .

Bastards . Counter revolutionary bastards the lot of them .
 
Casually Red said:
im sorry but thats not fine, i seriously cannot imagine ever going out with someone for a few months and asking them if its ok first before i do this or that ...mid hug...is it ok if i feel your bum.... Thats utter bollocks. Relationships dont work like that for non freaks . You have to feel your way along..literally . I think a woman would get seriously annoyed and frustrated having to put up with that noinsense , tell me to fuck off and call me a weirdo if i started doing that . Or if anyone else did.

feminist men are full of shit if thats what theyre coming out with
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lol
 
Casually Red said:
[quote="sihhi, post: 12329674, member:

Demands of men by (superior) feminist men.

1. Request consent from females for every instance of sexualised behaviour. - Fine.
2. Stop withdrawing emotionally. ??!?
Click to expand...

im sorry but thats not fine, i seriously cannot imagine ever going out with someone for a few months and asking them if its ok first before i do this or that ...mid hug...is it ok if i feel your bum.... Thats utter bollocks. Relationships dont work like that for non freaks . You have to feel your way along..literally . I think a woman would get seriously annoyed and frustrated having to put up with that noinsense , tell me to fuck off and call me a weirdo if i started doing that . Or if anyone else did.

feminist men are full of shit if thats what theyre coming out with
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You wouldn't have to go out with me for a few months before you put your hand on my arse. Christ, I'd think you were slow if you didn't have me up against the staircase wall of your flats after a week of courting.
 
I think what the point being clumsily made is that you do what you do and read signals as well, cos theres some glaring no signals when you overstep. Can be worse to the ego than an overt no cos it leaves you feeling you've done wrong- and you have. It can just be 'not yet' or 'not now' or so on. Either way, you learn to read people. Or you don't and are a dickhead.
 
what I don't get about all this is what kind of theory of liberation basically involves telling your oppressor to behave better? I mean if they're oppressive by their very nature, then what's the point in all this "good ally" crap? It's the equivalent of asking your boss to help you seize the means of production...
 
Lo Siento. said:
what I don't get about all this is what kind of theory of liberation basically involves telling your oppressor to behave better? I mean if they're oppressive by their very nature, then what's the point in all this "good ally" crap? It's the equivalent of asking your boss to help you seize the means of production...
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more bossknapping
 
Casually Red said:
you know damn well thats not what they mean . Its the slippery slope to frenzied wolfbagging and well you know it . Under the guise of initial emotional openness . Its not something that could ever end well .
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Pfft - trust you to twist it! :D

The other label I've seen for that is "risking vulnerability" - in my arrogant opinion it would've been a lot clearer than the guff on that worksheet about "intimacy with other men".
 
frogwoman said:
Bishop Brennan is oppressed and privileged at the same time. He is privileged by class and the fact that as a bishop he has a senior rank to Ted, Dougal and Father Jack. However, he is also oppressed because of the patriarchal expectations of the church expecting him not to have a girlfriend and a son in California. When Father Jack discovers the video of Bishop Brennan, the girlfriend and the son on holiday on the beach and plays it to him he is in fact engaging in a form of "bishop-shaming" which aims to humiliate Bishop Brennan by highlighting the fact that he has gone against the patriarchy of the Vatican by secretly having a child. Dougal also uses ableist behaviour when he hides the rabbits in Bishop Brennan's room, oppressing him because of his phobia of rabbits. When Father Ted kicks Bishop Brennan up the arse far from the working class hero getting on over on "the man" as many so-called leftists would say, he is actually using his priest privilege (of not being a bishop so not having as much to lose) and the privilege of his superior strength to create a huge amount of oppression, which lasts until Bishop Brennan comes out of his coma. As an outsider in the Craggy Island community Bishop Brennan is doubly oppressed, both by Ted and by the fact that as a stranger from the "mainland" he is not familiar with the island ways.

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WE ARE NOT WORTHY.

argle bargle blart blurt
 
The most oppressed person in Dad's Army is plainly the German airmen who are captured by the platoon. while they are privileged over Jones and Fraser who are older and more unattractive than they are, they are oppressed because of their nationality. Captain Mainwaring is a privileged oppressor, when the German airman asks Pike what his name is he uses his superior status to say "Don't tell him, Pike," speaking for him and denying Pike his experiences because he is younger and less educated, he patronises him by assuming that he was going to say his name. He also routinely denigrates him by calling him "a stupid boy". But when the German airman asserts himself against his oppression by saying "your name will go on the list" Pike displays his English Home Guardsman, whistling ability, and intellectual privilege by singing "Whistle while you work, Hitler is a twerp" and oppressing the differently abled in his language when he says "he's half barmy, so's his army".

At the same time, in another episode when Wilson and Mainwaring are holding an unexploded bomb, Jones stops being a good intersectional ally and shows his unrestrained masculinity when he says, "I am going to put this bank under Martial Law!" This violent, macho rhetoric shows the unexamined privilege that Jones benefits from and which damages us all. And when Fraser tells his stories about being doomed, he is speaking for Jones, Wilson, Mainwaring and Pike and denying them from expressing the reality of their oppression, because to them they might not feel they are doomed.
 
frogwoman said:
The most oppressed person in Dad's Army is plainly the German airmen who are captured by the platoon. while they are privileged over Jones and Fraser who are older and more unattractive than they are, they are oppressed because of their nationality. Captain Mainwaring is a privileged oppressor, when the German airman asks Pike what his name is he uses his superior status to say "Don't tell him, Pike," speaking for him and denying Pike his experiences because he is younger and less educated, he patronises him by assuming that he was going to say his name. He also routinely denigrates him by calling him "a stupid boy". But when the German airman asserts himself against his oppression by saying "your name will go on the list" Pike displays his English Home Guardsman, whistling ability, and intellectual privilege by singing "Whistle while you work, Hitler is a twerp" and oppressing the differently abled in his language when he says "he's half barmy, so's his army".

At the same time, in another episode when Wilson and Jones are holding an unexploded bomb, Jones stops being a good intersectional ally and shows his unrestrained masculinity when he says, "I am going to put this bank under Martial Law!" This violent, macho rhetoric shows the unexamined privilege that Jones benefits from and which damages us all. And when Fraser tells his stories about being doomed, he is speaking for Jones, Wilson, Mainwaring and Pike and denying them from expressing the reality of their oppression, because to them they might not feel they are doomed.
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What about Steptoe & Son?
 
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