Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[rekil]

It reminds me of the self-help section in bookshops. I always up the pace of my stroll a tiny bit when I have to go through it.

 

[rekil]

...what do they mean by intimacy?

Using the urinals instead of the cubicles I think.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

That list of aspirations or targets or whatever contains only 11 items. Surely in the traditional the self-healing world there are always 12 'steps'.

Also what do those bullet-point symbols at the end of each line represent?

 

[sihhi]

There are more than 11, in the 'Personal Goals' bit but the file size is too big.

This is the personal experiences and thoughts questionaire.

 

[frogwoman]

this is like therapy.

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Sorry, I didn't mean to start off a massive derail.

 

[sihhi]

this is like therapy.

You can say that frogwoman because you are a woman, however men doing likewise is a sign of not really wanting to oppose sexism. Remember it is called 'A Booklet For Men Against Sexism' - stopping sexism is the aim of all this.

 

[frogwoman]

But how is filling out those questionnaires going to stop people being sexist?

And knowing about this stuff doesn't necessarily stop a rapist from raping somebody, they could fill all the questions in in the "right" way and therefore make themselves seem more trustworthy and decent.

 

[sihhi]

But how is filling out those questionnaires going to stop people being sexist?

It's part of a larger political education and consciousness-raising.

Hence the importance of listening to feminists like Starhawk ("I'm Starhawk, author of many works celebrating the Goddess movement and Earth-based, feminist spirituality. I’m a peace, environmental, and global justice activist and trainer, a permaculture designer and teacher, a Pagan and Witch.")
and male-written emotion-based poetry:

 

[Sue]

It reminds me of the self-help section in bookshops. I always up the pace of my stroll a tiny bit when I have to go through it.

Priests in lingerie departments kind of thing..?

 

[frogwoman]

Priests in lingerie departments kind of thing..?

Check your not being a priest privilege and not living on a small irish island privilege

 

[sihhi]

Priests in lingerie departments kind of thing..?

Cue allies-of-minorities: <Whilst we are not Irish, we would please urge all people with mixed Irish heritage/who are fully Irish to look closely at the statement to help us consider whether or not it does or does not amount to cultural stereotypes being re-performed in a non-reclaiming (British) oppression-denying fashion. We await your command, if you think it is dismissive and patronising, we will ally with you against oppression. The intention doesn't matter, and it never will, only the offence. We don't want another Reginald D Hunter at the PFA situation on our hands. Help!>

 

[Sue]

Check your not being a priest privilege and not living on a small irish island privilege

Check your gender/religious/placist assumptions...

 

[Idris2002]

Check your not being a priest privilege and not living on a small irish island privilege

POST OF THE DAY

Checking your privilege is rather like making love to a beautiful woman. . .

 

[Idris2002]

Cue allies-of-minorities: <Whilst we are not Irish, we would please urge all people with mixed Irish heritage/who are fully Irish to look closely at the statement to help us consider whether or not it does or does not amount to cultural stereotypes being re-performed in a non-reclaiming (British) oppression-denying fashion. We await your command, if you think it is dismissive and patronising, we will ally with you against oppression. The intention doesn't matter, and it never will, only the offence. We don't want another Reginald D Hunter at the PFA situation on our hands. Help!>

 

[frogwoman]

Cue allies-of-minorities: <Whilst we are not Irish, we would please urge all people with mixed Irish heritage/who are fully Irish to look closely at the statement to help us consider whether or not it does or does not amount to cultural stereotypes being re-performed in a non-reclaiming (British) oppression-denying fashion. We await your command, if you think it is dismissive and patronising, we will ally with you against oppression. The intention doesn't matter, and it never will, only the offence. We don't want another Reginald D Hunter at the PFA situation on our hands. Help!>

Well plainly if we're going to do an intersectional analysis of Father Ted, Plainly Mrs Doyle has got to be the most oppressed out of everyone in Parochial House because she is a woman and has to make the tea for everyone. But then Father Jack is also oppressed because he is an alcoholic, old and unattractive. But he is also privileged over Mrs Doyle and quite regularly uses his privilege as a senior member of the clergy to demand people get drinks for him. Dougal is more attractive than Father Jack or Mrs Doyle, but he is also oppressed by them because he is younger and more inexperienced. Father Ted has to go to the back of the progressive stack because he is the most privileged, being neither old, nor uneducated or an alcoholic or a woman, although thinking about it he does have the oppression of having a criminal past, which Dougal often brings up by saying "the money was just resting in your account" displaying insensitivity and dismissing the reality of his oppression.

It's a right mess.

Idris2002

 

[Sue]

Cue allies-of-minorities: <Whilst we are not Irish, we would please urge all people with mixed Irish heritage/who are fully Irish to look closely at the statement to help us consider whether or not it does or does not amount to cultural stereotypes being re-performed in a non-reclaiming (British) oppression-denying fashion. We await your command, if you think it is dismissive and patronising, we will ally with you against oppression. The intention doesn't matter, and it never will, only the offence. We don't want another Reginald D Hunter at the PFA situation on our hands. Help!>

I can rustle up an Irish grandparent or two I'll have you know. Do I get some points for that in the intersectionality bingo. .?

 

[Idris2002]

Well plainly if we're going to do an intersectional analysis of Father Ted, Plainly Mrs Doyle has got to be the most oppressed out of everyone in Parochial House because she is a woman and has to make the tea for everyone. But then Father Jack is also oppressed because he is an alcoholic, old and unattractive. But he is also privileged over Mrs Doyle and quite regularly uses his privilege as a senior member of the clergy to demand people get drinks for him. Dougal is more attractive than Father Jack or Mrs Doyle, but he is also oppressed by them because he is younger and more inexperienced. Father Ted has to go to the back of the progressive stack because he is the most privileged, being neither old, nor uneducated or an alcoholic or a woman, although thinking about it he does have the oppression of having a criminal past, which Dougal often brings up by saying "the money was just resting in your account" displaying insensitivity and dismissing the reality of his oppression.

It's a right mess.

Idris2002

 

[DotCommunist]

I can rustle up an Irish grandparent or two I'll have you know. Do I get some points for that in the intersectionality bingo. .?

depends if you put the money in the hat.

Where does support for irish republicanism put one in the stack? does it have a spoke?

 

[sihhi]

(Trigger warning- confusion, possible anti-Irish racism)

Allies-of-minorities Cheadle High Street: An Open Letter to the Wider Movement and Proletarian Democracy.

We are exceedingly confused. An Irish man (resident in Ireland) is backing up a non-Irish woman (resident in Britain) who has entered a privilege challenge against a mixed heritage Irish woman (resident in Britain) making a joke involving and/or invoking something sort of Irish but made with significant assistance from imperialist Channel 4, but exported to essentially non-imperialist RTE2. Urgent help is requested.

 

[J Ed]

I can rustle up an Irish grandparent or two I'll have you know. Do I get some points for that in the intersectionality bingo. .?

Doubtful, this stuff is all based on America and Americans seem to see Irishness as just another white privilege and not an oppression.

 

[agricola]

Well plainly if we're going to do an intersectional analysis of Father Ted, Plainly Mrs Doyle has got to be the most oppressed out of everyone in Parochial House because she is a woman and has to make the tea for everyone. But then Father Jack is also oppressed because he is an alcoholic, old and unattractive. But he is also privileged over Mrs Doyle and quite regularly uses his privilege as a senior member of the clergy to demand people get drinks for him. Dougal is more attractive than Father Jack or Mrs Doyle, but he is also oppressed by them because he is younger and more inexperienced. Father Ted has to go to the back of the progressive stack because he is the most privileged, being neither old, nor uneducated or an alcoholic or a woman, although thinking about it he does have the oppression of having a criminal past, which Dougal often brings up by saying "the money was just resting in your account" displaying insensitivity and dismissing the reality of his oppression.

It's a right mess.

Idris2002

I agree with you about Ted, lets not forget he got Pat Mustard sacked as well.

 

[Idris2002]

Doubtful, this stuff is all based on America and Americans seem to see Irishness as just another white privilege and not an oppression.

Twas not always thus.

 

[Idris2002]

(Trigger warning- confusion, possible anti-Irish racism)

Allies-of-minorities Cheadle High Street: An Open Letter to the Wider Movement and Proletarian Democracy.

We are exceedingly confused. An Irish man (resident in Ireland) is backing up a non-Irish woman (resident in Britain) who has entered a privilege challenge against a mixed heritage Irish woman (resident in Britain) making a joke involving and/or invoking something sort of Irish but made with significant assistance from imperialist Channel 4, but exported to essentially non-imperialist RTE2. Urgent help is requested.

 

[Greebo]

...what do they mean by intimacy?

Talking about feelings to other men without thinking that intimacy is something you can only every have with somebody who you hope (or intend) to fuck.

 

[sihhi]

Well plainly if we're going to do an intersectional analysis of Father Ted, Plainly Mrs Doyle has got to be the most oppressed out of everyone in Parochial House because she is a woman and has to make the tea for everyone. But then Father Jack is also oppressed because he is an alcoholic, old and unattractive. But he is also privileged over Mrs Doyle and quite regularly uses his privilege as a senior member of the clergy to demand people get drinks for him. Dougal is more attractive than Father Jack or Mrs Doyle, but he is also oppressed by them because he is younger and more inexperienced. Father Ted has to go to the back of the progressive stack because he is the most privileged, being neither old, nor uneducated or an alcoholic or a woman, although thinking about it he does have the oppression of having a criminal past, which Dougal often brings up by saying "the money was just resting in your account" displaying insensitivity and dismissing the reality of his oppression.

A typical Gaelo-centric reading, failing to notice the glaring Orientalist assumptions that underpin the entire household that privileges white Irish womanhood over all other women of colour who all fall over themselves to essentially side with Father Ted's racist bullshit against the overseas Chinese community of Craggy Island:

To back up this rigid analysis, I will quote from an US Gramscian organic intellectual but university academic who once relied on the lived experience testimony of a black woman still living in the rural deep South who reinterpreted white skin privilege thus: 'the Irish may be white niggers but they are still white'.

 

[Greebo]

<snip>Checking your privilege is rather like making love to a beautiful woman. . .

As like it as pain is to pleasure, unless you're a masochist.

 

[treelover]

Thing is, as I have said before again, this stuff is in a country where millions are locked up and 40 million are on foodstamps, it beggars belief they see this as a priority

 

[frogwoman]

Also as steph says far more serious things go on in terms of racism, discrimination especially towards transgender people and it's odd that "misgendering" is seen as a priority.

 

[DotCommunist]

(Trigger warning-