Alex Callinicos/SWP vs Laurie Penny/New Statesman Facebook handbags

[butchersapron]

Gripper was fash.

He met up with neo-nazis on a school trip to Austria.

...according to the shit Grange Hill book I had when I was a kid anyway...

And who is now in camerons fascist liverpool cultural city of the north bolloks

 

[chilango]

Ha! I read the same book

Didnt he start a Grange Hill race riot?

It seems so...

 

[chilango]

David Cameron: " "Indeed Gripper Stebson was one of my role models in life".

 

[rosecore]

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 9m
@chiller I'd say transphobic feminists are feminists. I just find their take on feminism bigoted, hateful and useless.

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 17m
For me, the only things that intellectually and ethically disqualify from feminism are racism and being anti-choice. #iamnotaproperfeminist

 

[butchersapron]

Roll on the pro-choice tory femninists. Lays it all out. The term now pronounced meaningless.

 

[killer b]

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed

8m​

Ok, to clarify, if we're defining racist feminists as 'not feminist' then transphobic feminists aren't either.

interesting definition of 'clarify'.

 

[J Ed]

Who made Laurie Penny the one who decides who is and isn't a feminist? I think a lot of feminists would question the feminist credentials of someone who doesn't see a problem with rape porn.

 

[andysays]

Who made Laurie Penny the one who decides who is and isn't a feminist?

 

[The Pale King]

1. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 6h
2. @smalltownmoon oh, come on. I didn't explain properly; I clarified; I try to learn as I advocate for trans rights. Give me a break, please.

...trouble with making sweeping declarations about what is and isn't feminism is that people understandably have their own ideas and definitions. Trouble with basing your politics on 'calling out' people is that pretty soon you get hoisted by your own petard and start begging for mercy.

 

[butchersapron]

1. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 6h
2. @smalltownmoon oh, come on. I didn't explain properly; I clarified; I try to learn as I advocate for trans rights. Give me a break, please.

...trouble with making sweeping declarations about what is and isn't feminism is that people understandably have their own ideas and definitions. Trouble with basing your politics on 'calling out' people is that pretty soon you get hoisted by your own petard and start begging for mercy.

And they aren't playing the game of mercy. These twats.

 

[The Pale King]

• 1. Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 6h
  2. @B1ustreak @chiller you might even be right about the racist feminists. Several early suffragettes joined Moseley's gang in the 30s, e.g.

...Didn't this stuff about fascist suffagettes come up here recently?

 

[butchersapron]

We talked about the proper suffra-sisters being good old school pro-empire tories.

 

[The Pale King]

A coincidence.

 

[rekil]

 

[andysays]

A coincidence.

Either that or this thread is now one of L's research sources

 

[Libertad]

LP's on the piss:

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 46s
Why do goths walk sp fast?

 

[barney_pig]

LP's on the piss:

Laurie Penny ‏@PennyRed 46s
Why do goths walk sp fast?

Something about the experience of selling the militant?

 

[sihhi]

There was a bit of inverse snobbery that *implied* she was amongst a breed of leftie/activist media types whose socio-economic background and associated privileges leave them ill-equipped to authoritatively or authentically write about issues around social injustice and marginalisation.

LP has explained to us that such concerns - call it inverse snobbery if you particularly want to - no longer matter very much.

"Social media has been an energising and empowering force for the British commentariat, rearranging some of the old hierarchies and allowing young people and those outside the mainstream press to amplify voices that would otherwise go unheard." (Speech on winning Editorial Intelligence Twitter Public Personality Award, October 2012)

Found an answer for this though:

"Not for the first time, following some conversations, it occurs to me we need a better mental health toolkit for hackers and activists." (May 2013)

It is Counselling for Social Change

Counselling for Social Change offers an accepting and confidential space to discuss any issues currently affecting your life and work. We work in a supportive and empathic way to help you through life's challenges.

Our services include face-to-face and phone counselling, as well as retreats in rural Cornwall. All our services are low-cost. However, please get in touch if our fees are not affordable as you may be eligible for grants or bursaries.

Our counsellors and trustees have a real understanding of the issues surrounding activism, care work and campaigning. We've been involved with a range of organisations and campaigns including Climate Camp, Occupy, Friends of the Earth, the Network for Police Monitoring, Palestinian human rights groups, The Transition Network, the Cooperative Movement and many more.

Activists are very good at fighting for others, often to the point of forgetting our own health. Counselling for Social Change has been established to provide time and space for self-care. We have recently received funding from Lush to provide free phone counselling to activists. We are also in the process of building a small low-impact retreat to provide space for campaigners looking to get away.

A worthy rival to the Activist Trauma Database

You will find contacts for:

a) Activists who are specially trained to do trauma support
b) People with different healing skills (herbalism, reiki, Bach-flowers,…)
c) Sympathetic professionals (therapists, psychologists, counselors)
d) Professional institutions and centres working on trauma

 

[DotCommunist]

is this like a left wing alpha course?

 

[sihhi]

is this like a left wing alpha course?

The only part that's similar is the holiday retreat for people like you who are "activists are very good at fighting for others, often to the point of forgetting our own health".

 

[DotCommunist]

i'd rather go kibbutz

 

[sihhi]

i'd rather go kibbutz

Do you get a cool T-Shirt there?

I think not.

 

[frogwoman]

Do you get a cool T-Shirt there?

I think not.

oh my god that is fucking creepy.

 

[Idris2002]

oh my god that is fucking creepy.

Sinister, but not in a good way.

 

[frogwoman]

I wouldn't be comfortable sitting in a counselling room with somebody wearing a mask, sorry

 

[DotCommunist]

its not tears those tissues are for mopping

 

[tufty79]

LP has explained to us that such concerns - call it inverse snobbery if you particularly want to - no longer matter very much.

"Social media has been an energising and empowering force for the British commentariat, rearranging some of the old hierarchies and allowing young people and those outside the mainstream press to amplify voices that would otherwise go unheard." (Speech on winning Editorial Intelligence Twitter Public Personality Award, October 2012)

Found an answer for this though:

"Not for the first time, following some conversations, it occurs to me we need a better mental health toolkit for hackers and activists." (May 2013)

It is Counselling for Social Change








A worthy rival to the Activist Trauma Database

do they offer any services to people traumatised by activists?
i could do with a fucking holiday, and to stop being harrassed by the fuckwits around me who, funnily enough, have also been active members of

Climate Camp, Occupy, Friends of the Earth, the Network for Police Monitoring, Palestinian human rights groups, The Transition Network, the Cooperative Movement and many more.

i miss leaving the house and checking my emails without worrying they're going to pop up in my face. reckon that'd get me a bursary for the fees?

 

[frogwoman]

the cooperative movement

 

[tufty79]

housing co-ops, workers co-ops, RRRRRRADICAL co-ops, as well as the proper big supermarketbanketc co-op...
this sorta thing

http://www.uk.coop/
http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk/

i love the radical routes 'legal and housing regulations' page - my ex co-op housemate (who applied for loanstock under my name after i'd moved out, and without my consent. it took a random vanity google in april to discover this..) is responsible for updating it

'http://www.radicalroutes.org.uk/pub...links-to-legal-and-housing-regs-websites.html

 

[tufty79]

(sorry, i appear to be using this thread as a rantposting safespace. i'm still a bit cross with 'em, to say the least. and possibly a bit over-defensive, probably due to the amount of apologist fuckwits i've encountered over the last few months. and i cba starting a 'omfg, what are they *doing*?' thread)